OK, gotcha..."Write in DD Image mode". I see that and I'll try it. Thanks a bunch!!! Steve Sybesma On 2019-03-21 16:11, Tomasz Kramkowski via arch-general wrote:

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 03:56:28PM -0600, steve@vwebr.net wrote:

...

Hello everyone,

I tried installing archlinux-2019.03.01-x86_64.iso onto my Intel Compute Stick STCK1A8LFC, but got this at the very beginning when I tried booting a USB stick created by Rufus.

https://imgur.com/a/nEjA248 <-- See picture at this link

I did not experience the lack of booting the USB stick with any other distros I tried (about 6-7 others). They all booted fine and were created in Rufus the same way.

BIOS setting is the same as others as well...UEFI shell disabled (that is a must), USB boot enabled, and Secure Boot disabled. There is no Legacy Boot/CSM option. Stuck on UEFI.

See picture attached for what happens when I try to boot from the USB stick I created.

Particulars...

Hardware:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/86613/intel-compute-sti...

Screenshot of creation of Rufus USB stick (exact same method as others I did which all booted fine):

https://imgur.com/a/AB11PSP <-- See picture at this link

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Steve Sybesma Brighton, CO USA

Hi Steve,

Have you tried using a tool like dd or something equivalent to directly write the iso to the USB flash drive?

Taking a quick look at our wiki, it seems like Rufus can perform that task if it is configured correctly. The instructions are here:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_flash_installation_media#Using_Rufu...

It seems that after clicking "START" on the screen in the screenshot you provided the software should prompt for a mode. Select "DD Image mode."

Kind regards,

I may be switching over to Arch Linux from Trisquel Mini 8.0 Everything was going well with Trisquel Mini until it froze on configuring the avahi-daemon while doing System Updates. Did it twice so I'm about to wipe and start over. I can't have this happening. I think Arch is slightly less resource-intensive so it may be better anyway. I only have 1GB RAM in this thing. Intel loaded it to the breaking point with Ubuntu 14.04 LTS 64-bit...the 3 years of updates it had to catch up alone killed any use of it. Steve On 2019-03-21 23:42, Robert Crawford via arch-general wrote:

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:39 PM wrote: OK, gotcha..."Write in DD Image mode".

I see that and I'll try it.

Thanks a bunch!!!

Steve Sybesma

On 2019-03-21 16:11, Tomasz Kramkowski via arch-general wrote:

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 03:56:28PM -0600, steve@vwebr.net wrote:

Hello everyone,

I tried installing archlinux-2019.03.01-x86_64.iso onto my Intel Compute Stick STCK1A8LFC, but got this at the very beginning when I tried booting a USB stick created by Rufus.

https://imgur.com/a/nEjA248 <-- See picture at this link

I did not experience the lack of booting the USB stick with any other distros I tried (about 6-7 others). They all booted fine and were created in Rufus the same way.

BIOS setting is the same as others as well...UEFI shell disabled (that is a must), USB boot enabled, and Secure Boot disabled. There is no Legacy Boot/CSM option. Stuck on UEFI.

See picture attached for what happens when I try to boot from the USB stick I created.

Particulars...

Hardware:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/86613/intel-compute-sti...

Screenshot of creation of Rufus USB stick (exact same method as others I did which all booted fine):

https://imgur.com/a/AB11PSP <-- See picture at this link

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Steve Sybesma Brighton, CO USA Hi Steve,

Have you tried using a tool like dd or something equivalent to directly write the iso to the USB flash drive?

Taking a quick look at our wiki, it seems like Rufus can perform that task if it is configured correctly. The instructions are here:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_flash_installation_media#Using_Rufu...

It seems that after clicking "START" on the screen in the screenshot you provided the software should prompt for a mode. Select "DD Image mode."

Kind regards,

I just installed Arch on a HP Probook laptop. I used Etcher using Manjaro. Works great.

Hi Steve, that *is* the booted Arch ISO. There is no graphical installer (which you presumably expect). Follow https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/installation_guide to continue from the shell prompt. Regards, Khorne March 22, 2019 11:19 PM, steve@vwebr.net wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I followed the instructions to use DD mode in Rufus and I got much further in the boot process than the first couple times I tried.

A few screens of info passed by...before it didn't even get halfway down the first screen of info. That's good progress in my book.

However it stopped at a shell prompt.

The picture I took is at this link:

https://imgur.com/a/xrunl82

I was going to use Trisquel Mini until I found out they have such an attitude about everything being free or non-free that they don't include many wifi drivers.

The driver in this Intel Compute Stick is 'virtualized' so that leaves me to wonder what drive is compatible.

The original Ubuntu bloated carcass that was on there was compatible hardware-wise, but of course their massive load of updates made the machine unusable.

Anyway, I'm a practical person so I hope you have better stock of drivers once I get over this issue with booting from USB.

Thanks,

Steve

On 2019-03-21 23:42, Robert Crawford via arch-general wrote:

...

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:39 PM wrote: OK, gotcha..."Write in DD Image mode".

I see that and I'll try it.

Thanks a bunch!!!

Steve Sybesma

On 2019-03-21 16:11, Tomasz Kramkowski via arch-general wrote:

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 03:56:28PM -0600, steve@vwebr.net wrote:

Hello everyone,

I tried installing archlinux-2019.03.01-x86_64.iso onto my Intel Compute Stick STCK1A8LFC, but got this at the very beginning when I tried booting a USB stick created by Rufus.

https://imgur.com/a/nEjA248 <-- See picture at this link

I did not experience the lack of booting the USB stick with any other distros I tried (about 6-7 others). They all booted fine and were created in Rufus the same way.

BIOS setting is the same as others as well...UEFI shell disabled (that is a must), USB boot enabled, and Secure Boot disabled. There is no Legacy Boot/CSM option. Stuck on UEFI.

See picture attached for what happens when I try to boot from the USB stick I created.

Particulars...

Hardware:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/86613/intel-compute-sti...

Screenshot of creation of Rufus USB stick (exact same method as others I did which all booted fine):

https://imgur.com/a/AB11PSP <-- See picture at this link

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Steve Sybesma Brighton, CO USA Hi Steve,

Have you tried using a tool like dd or something equivalent to directly write the iso to the USB flash drive?

Taking a quick look at our wiki, it seems like Rufus can perform that task if it is configured correctly. The instructions are here:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_flash_installation_media#Using_Rufu...

It seems that after clicking "START" on the screen in the screenshot you provided the software should prompt for a mode. Select "DD Image mode."

Kind regards,

I just installed Arch on a HP Probook laptop. I used Etcher using Manjaro. Works great.

My apologies, but the instructions aren't clear at all. I don't know where in the instructions the event I'm seeing is taking place. I'm seeing a prompt but it's not obvious what to put there even from the instructions. I not completely sure what is going on there. My guess is that it's trying to get me to set the root password by entering the command 'passwd'. I'm guessing that, but the instructions don't make that clear is all I'm saying. I'll try 'passwd' and see how far I get with that but even after I set the password, it's not at all clear what is next. I never saw a menu before that prompt...there was no interaction at all before that. Please rewrite your instructions. I am always able to follow clear instructions with no help needed. Steve On 2019-03-22 17:41, Khorne wrote:

Hi Steve,

that *is* the booted Arch ISO. There is no graphical installer (which you presumably expect).

Follow https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/installation_guide to continue from the shell prompt.

Regards, Khorne

March 22, 2019 11:19 PM, steve@vwebr.net wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I followed the instructions to use DD mode in Rufus and I got much further in the boot process than the first couple times I tried.

A few screens of info passed by...before it didn't even get halfway down the first screen of info. That's good progress in my book.

However it stopped at a shell prompt.

The picture I took is at this link:

https://imgur.com/a/xrunl82

I was going to use Trisquel Mini until I found out they have such an attitude about everything being free or non-free that they don't include many wifi drivers.

The driver in this Intel Compute Stick is 'virtualized' so that leaves me to wonder what drive is compatible.

The original Ubuntu bloated carcass that was on there was compatible hardware-wise, but of course their massive load of updates made the machine unusable.

Anyway, I'm a practical person so I hope you have better stock of drivers once I get over this issue with booting from USB.

Thanks,

Steve

On 2019-03-21 23:42, Robert Crawford via arch-general wrote:

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:39 PM wrote: OK, gotcha..."Write in DD Image mode".

I see that and I'll try it.

Thanks a bunch!!!

Steve Sybesma

On 2019-03-21 16:11, Tomasz Kramkowski via arch-general wrote:

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 03:56:28PM -0600, steve@vwebr.net wrote:

Hello everyone,

I tried installing archlinux-2019.03.01-x86_64.iso onto my Intel Compute Stick STCK1A8LFC, but got this at the very beginning when I tried booting a USB stick created by Rufus.

https://imgur.com/a/nEjA248 <-- See picture at this link

I did not experience the lack of booting the USB stick with any other distros I tried (about 6-7 others). They all booted fine and were created in Rufus the same way.

BIOS setting is the same as others as well...UEFI shell disabled (that is a must), USB boot enabled, and Secure Boot disabled. There is no Legacy Boot/CSM option. Stuck on UEFI.

See picture attached for what happens when I try to boot from the USB stick I created.

Particulars...

Hardware:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/86613/intel-compute-sti...

Screenshot of creation of Rufus USB stick (exact same method as others I did which all booted fine):

https://imgur.com/a/AB11PSP <-- See picture at this link

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Steve Sybesma Brighton, CO USA Hi Steve,

Have you tried using a tool like dd or something equivalent to directly write the iso to the USB flash drive?

Taking a quick look at our wiki, it seems like Rufus can perform that task if it is configured correctly. The instructions are here:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_flash_installation_media#Using_Rufu...

It seems that after clicking "START" on the screen in the screenshot you provided the software should prompt for a mode. Select "DD Image mode."

Kind regards, I just installed Arch on a HP Probook laptop. I used Etcher using Manjaro. Works great.

If you're just looking for an easy install, I could maybe recommend ArchBang. It comes with a graphical interface and a relatively easy installer that doesn't really require any external reading. Luke On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 08:23:16PM -0600, steve@vwebr.net wrote:

Was reading a bit on your site and you do have volumes of stuff to go through, but I just don't have the time right now.

I have to get this Intel Compute Stick up and running this weekend so I can make a buying decision on 10 more.

Once I get the basic, minimum installation done, I can handle using Clonezilla to create an image so I don't have to do 11 more installs from scratch.

After that I can update the image as I add or remove things.

As far as what I'm comfortable with, you say Ubuntu is a newbie distro. OK, that's fine. I haven't run into this kind of OS before but I'm open-minded.

I've had plenty of headaches this week trying to figure other things out with what I'm doing, so please forgive me.

I don't need something extremely simple as Ubuntu, but there should be enough challenge to make it interesting.

Mainly what I'm after is a distro that's very low on resources, which yours is. That's an absolute must and what drew me to you.

And your pragmatism is very attractive. To me 'free' means if it's legal for me to use it without paying, not whether it's commercialized.

If I can simply get to where the graphical interface starts with a clear list of things that have to be done before I get to that point, I can handle this.

My goal is not to ask anymore questions after that point.

For me it's like if I see a little bit of light, that is all I need to find my way by myself the rest of the distance.

Thanks for your patience.

Steve

On 2019-03-22 19:37, steve@vwebr.net wrote:

...

My apologies, but the instructions aren't clear at all. I don't know where in the instructions the event I'm seeing is taking place.

I'm seeing a prompt but it's not obvious what to put there even from the instructions. I not completely sure what is going on there.

My guess is that it's trying to get me to set the root password by entering the command 'passwd'.

I'm guessing that, but the instructions don't make that clear is all I'm saying.

I'll try 'passwd' and see how far I get with that but even after I set the password, it's not at all clear what is next.

I never saw a menu before that prompt...there was no interaction at all before that.

Please rewrite your instructions. I am always able to follow clear instructions with no help needed.

Steve

On 2019-03-22 17:41, Khorne wrote: Hi Steve,

that *is* the booted Arch ISO. There is no graphical installer (which you presumably expect).

Follow https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/installation_guide to continue from the shell prompt.

Regards, Khorne

March 22, 2019 11:19 PM, steve@vwebr.net wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I followed the instructions to use DD mode in Rufus and I got much further in the boot process than the first couple times I tried.

A few screens of info passed by...before it didn't even get halfway down the first screen of info. That's good progress in my book.

However it stopped at a shell prompt.

The picture I took is at this link:

https://imgur.com/a/xrunl82

I was going to use Trisquel Mini until I found out they have such an attitude about everything being free or non-free that they don't include many wifi drivers.

The driver in this Intel Compute Stick is 'virtualized' so that leaves me to wonder what drive is compatible.

The original Ubuntu bloated carcass that was on there was compatible hardware-wise, but of course their massive load of updates made the machine unusable.

Anyway, I'm a practical person so I hope you have better stock of drivers once I get over this issue with booting from USB.

Thanks,

Steve

On 2019-03-21 23:42, Robert Crawford via arch-general wrote:

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 5:39 PM wrote: OK, gotcha..."Write in DD Image mode".

I see that and I'll try it.

Thanks a bunch!!!

Steve Sybesma

On 2019-03-21 16:11, Tomasz Kramkowski via arch-general wrote:

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 03:56:28PM -0600, steve@vwebr.net wrote:

Hello everyone,

I tried installing archlinux-2019.03.01-x86_64.iso onto my Intel Compute Stick STCK1A8LFC, but got this at the very beginning when I tried booting a USB stick created by Rufus.

https://imgur.com/a/nEjA248 <-- See picture at this link

I did not experience the lack of booting the USB stick with any other distros I tried (about 6-7 others). They all booted fine and were created in Rufus the same way.

BIOS setting is the same as others as well...UEFI shell disabled (that is a must), USB boot enabled, and Secure Boot disabled. There is no Legacy Boot/CSM option. Stuck on UEFI.

See picture attached for what happens when I try to boot from the USB stick I created.

Particulars...

Hardware:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/86613/intel-compute-sti...

Screenshot of creation of Rufus USB stick (exact same method as others I did which all booted fine):

https://imgur.com/a/AB11PSP <-- See picture at this link

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Steve Sybesma Brighton, CO USA Hi Steve,

Have you tried using a tool like dd or something equivalent to directly write the iso to the USB flash drive?

Taking a quick look at our wiki, it seems like Rufus can perform that task if it is configured correctly. The instructions are here:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_flash_installation_media#Using_Rufu...

It seems that after clicking "START" on the screen in the screenshot you provided the software should prompt for a mode. Select "DD Image mode."

Kind regards, I just installed Arch on a HP Probook laptop. I used Etcher using Manjaro. Works great.

On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 20:57:54 -0600, steve@vwebr.net wrote:

I need to end up with a distro that has good driver support, and very low resource utilization and gets me to a GUI in 20 steps or less, which are clear steps.

Ubuntu being virtually zero steps, so that gives you a better idea.

Hi, you mistake apples for oranges. The Ubuntu install media that is closest to Arch might be the Ubuntu Server install media or the Network installer. I suspect even the Network installer is a ncurses thingy. However, if you install from the Ubuntu Server image and deselect a few package groups, you get something similar to an Arch base install. From then on you need to use Ubuntu with command line, too, to e.g. install a window manager. At this point the difference related to the count of steps that has to be done to finish the install, is due to the different distro policies and the user's needs. For example, after installing an Ubuntu package usually everything that could be autostarted, gets autostarted, so you might need to disable a lot. On Arch Linux it's the other way round, you need to enable a lot. IOW even when using Ubuntu, you unlikely get what you want by "virtually zero steps". You are the only one who knows exactly, what you need. Btw. there are still a lot of differences between distros once they are installed. IMO the only way to find out which distro fits best, is to install several distros and to test them by daily usage. I don't know how many steps it takes to get to a GUI when installing Arch Linux, but to get a full configured Arch Linux install that fit to your needs, you most likely need to do way more than 20 steps. Keep in mind that you might do an Arch Linux install just once in a lifetime. Once it is installed, you might never do an install again, you "only" maintain the install and from time to time you restore the install from a backup, e.g. when migrating to new hardware. Regards, Ralf -- pacman -Q linux{,-rt{-pussytoes,-cornflower,,-securityink}}|cut -d\ -f2 5.0.3.arch1-1 5.0.3_rt1-0 4.19.25_rt16-0 4.19.23_rt13-0.1 4.19.15_rt12-0

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 08:57:54PM -0600, steve@vwebr.net wrote:

No reading at all isn't necessarily what I'm after.

Like I said, I can follow and appreciate clear instructions.

I need to end up with a distro that has good driver support, and very low resource utilization and gets me to a GUI in 20 steps or less, which are clear steps.

Ubuntu being virtually zero steps, so that gives you a better idea.

Steve <... snip ...>

Hi Steve, I would appreciate if you could put replies to emails at the bottom of the quoted section of the email you're replying to (just like I am doing now). It just makes it easier to read the flow of the emails. I have snipped the email chain you replied to as it was very difficult to follow especially after the transformation your email client was applying to it. I am happy to hear that my recommendation helped you get the Archlinux ISO running and put you into a position to install the distribution. Now, to respond to your concern that the instructions are unclear: The instructions are written with the intention that the reader is familiar with what a normal distro's graphical installation tool might be doing in the background when the user navigates through its prompts. The instructions also link to multiple other pages which give a lot of the necessary background to anyone with the time to read. That being said, the installation instructions STILL provide a considerable excess of information which should be enough for someone who is willing and patient enough to do the necessary research to follow them without much prior experience (even prior linux experience). Regarding an earlier message of yours about root passwords, I'm not entirely sure how you got lost so early in the process. I'll give you the benefit of doubt and give you some elaboration on the beginning of the process of installing archlinux in the hope that it will give you a better idea of how to read the rest of the installation guide. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide Since you have already written the ISO to a USB flash drive and booted from it successfully, we can skip the "Verify signature" step as at this point you have already consciously or unconsciously made the decision to trust what you have downloaded enough to boot from it. The step you're on, as far as I am aware is the very end of the section named "Boot the live environment." That is to say that you have successfully booted the Archlinux live ISO and have been "logged in on the first virtual console as the root user, and presented with a Zsh shell prompt." This means that you're now running Archlinux from the ISO and the next step to aim towards would be to prepare the machine you're installing the distribution onto for the installation process. As Archlinux isn't yet installed on the machine, it would be pointless to try to set the root password as the root password would only change on the ISO and only until you were to re-boot the ISO. Now hopefully you understand where you are, following along from this step the next step is "Set the keyboard layout." This is obviously an optional step but if you have dealt with graphical distro installers, one of the first steps upon booting is usually a question about your keyboard layout. Continuing, the next steps deal with other pre-installation tasks which put the running system into a good position to begin configuring the target machine. Then as the final stage of pre-installation the guide explains partitioning, formatting and mounting the target disks for the installation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I will not go any further in paraphrasing the installation process because unfortunately if the above is not enough to get you started then the chances that you will be successful in configuring and using the distribution AFTER the installation are low and the Archlinux community does not exist to teach potential users how their machine works under the hood. So to finish off, it's not that the instructions are unclear, it's that the instructions are not intended to teach the end user what they're doing, and they're also intentionally not designed such that someone could just copy paste commands without thinking about what they're doing. Part of the reason why the simplified installation guide was removed (as far as I am aware) was because it was misleading users who were not adequately familiar with Linux or did not have the right attitude towards learning about Linux into thinking that the entirety of the Archlinux experience was going to be a matter of following simple steps with minimal thought to achieve any desired end result. This just ended up putting a significant burden on the community to answer questions for which answers were already publicly available. Or to use a (probably not very good knowing my past record) mathematics analogy: someone who enjoys teaching and working with linear algebra might not enjoy or want to answer endless questions about the fundamentals of algebra or geometry when there is plenty of good material and good teachers who specialise in teaching precisely that kind of thing. Kind regards, -- Tomasz Kramkowski

Not the right attitude, my friend! Kinda sucks actually. I'm very familiar with command lines and can always handle clear instructions. I'm going to say this again. The instructions I was pointed to were not clear. Steve On 2019-03-22 21:49, Doug Newgard via arch-general wrote:

On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 19:37:18 -0600 steve@vwebr.net wrote:

...

My apologies, but the instructions aren't clear at all. I don't know where in the instructions the event I'm seeing is taking place.

I'm seeing a prompt but it's not obvious what to put there even from the instructions. I not completely sure what is going on there.

My guess is that it's trying to get me to set the root password by entering the command 'passwd'.

I'm guessing that, but the instructions don't make that clear is all I'm saying.

I'll try 'passwd' and see how far I get with that but even after I set the password, it's not at all clear what is next.

I never saw a menu before that prompt...there was no interaction at all before that.

Please rewrite your instructions. I am always able to follow clear instructions with no help needed.

Steve

If you don't know what a command line is or what to do with it, you picked the wrong distro. Don't waste any more of your time, move on to something else.

Scimmia

On 03/22/2019 08:37 PM, steve@vwebr.net wrote:

My apologies, but the instructions aren't clear at all. I don't know where in the instructions the event I'm seeing is taking place.

I'm seeing a prompt but it's not obvious what to put there even from the instructions. I not completely sure what is going on there.

In the past there was a wonderful "Beginner's Guide" with detailed a detailed install procedure with expanded explanations for each step. When the arch installer went away, it was removed shortly thereafter. It would be worth considering resurrecting the page. The manual install is by far the way to go as it can be tailored to whatever you need. The only downside is if you have not done one before, the existing Installation guide is much too terse to be of much use for your first manual install. Somewhere there is a happy medium between the Beginner's guide and what we have as the Installation guide at present. Good luck with your Arch install. It is by far the best Linux distribution that you will ever install. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.