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To: linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org Subject: [LAU] A sound decision Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:26:36 -0200
http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/36698-from-windows-to-...
From Windows to Linux: a sound decision
Some excerpts:
Five years ago, when Geoff Beasley decided to move his sound studio business from a Windows-based one to a Linux-based setup, he had one simple bit of logic driving him: things could not be worse under Linux. ... "There's a great difference between working with commercial software and Linux," says Beasley. "One is the speed at which things get fixed - it is simply amazing. Another thing is that though I am always running software which is in a constant state of development, it is incredibly stable. It is not possible to get fixes at this speed from commercial vendors - the guys I work with are driven by the sheer elegance of their software and its flexibility. And I am constantly amazed at what I can do with my limited knowledge." ... Beasley's set-up:
SYSTEM SOFTWARE
All 5 of the production machines have the following subsystem:
Arch Linux system custom 2.6.31,6-rt19 kernel with RT preemption (essential for Xrun avoidance - click and pops) Desktop consisting of openbox, Adeskbar and pypanel. Display manager is Slim AUDIO jack2-svn (contains netone; which is netjack1 within jack2) Qjackctl-svn Rtirq (RT pci priorities for sound cards; also essential for Xrun avoidance)
LinAS LinAS is the audio master machine. It hosts 4 Hoontech C-Ports (ice1712-based chipset) in an Alsa multi-array providing 40 channels of audio to the other machines via 'netone'. jack is running with 2 periods @ 48kH and 64 frames giving a 'round-trip' latency (in and out) of 2.66 ms . Can be run @ 32 frames (half the latency) but the samplers struggle at this low a frame rate.
Uses Gjacktransport to control the jack transport here and therefore the netone slaves via jack transport.
LinDAW The Digital Audio Workstation hosts 'Ardour' as the main DAW software and also Mhwaveedit and Audacity for audio editing, Qjadeo for synchronous video playback with Ardour, K3b & GDC Master for CD mastering.
LinSeq The midi sequencer machine. Runs MusE 1.01-svn and Linuxsampler with the Fantasia (java) frontend. Magic. Mscore is the Linux music scoring program, started by the creator of MusE, Werner Schweer.
LinSampler Uses the program fst (free software studio) by Torben Hohn to run vsti's (virtual studio technology instruments) under wine. The two I run are Kontakt 2 and Sampletank 2. Both work 100 percent maybe better than under Wine.
LinVS This is the 'Video Server" This one specialises in distributing video throughout the complex via webcams using 'Cheese' to mount them. Kdenlive and capture cards are used to take interviews of Composers and Performers for web-based content enhancement. Qjadeo is used to playback vision also piped throughout.
LinFX Essentially hosts the Jc_Gui front end for Fons Adriaensen's Jconvolver. Using open source Impulse Responses. Gives reverbs to the mixing desk.
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 06:46:06AM +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
Forwarding the below, for those interested. fons, you'd maybe like this?
Already saw it on the Linux Audio lists, but thanks anyway ! Of course I like this ! -- FA O tu, che porte, correndo si ? E guerra e morte !
On 10 February 2010 07:03, <fons@kokkinizita.net> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 06:46:06AM +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
Forwarding the below, for those interested. fons, you'd maybe like this?
Already saw it on the Linux Audio lists, but thanks anyway ! Of course I like this !
If it's Songshop we're talking about, he's always gotten stuff from upstream (at least the critical audio stuff his studio runs on). Whatever he uses in his studio is at the same time being tested for upstream. As a matter of fact, he's the epitome of a "user" so he does more actual work than tinker. At least that's what I've noticed. Sometimes when he's on IRC (on #archaudio and #jack especially) I just know his latest development build of jack2 is screwing around =p As far as the distro is concerned (which is really not a big deal in this story), I guess he updates only as needed. Even I myself update in random bursts. Some of us didn't even trust new RT kernels at one point: http://archaudio.org/2008/11/sos-rt-audio-kernel-configuration/comment-page-... -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD
* Ng Oon-Ee <ngoonee@gmail.com> [09.02.2010 23:46]:
Forwarding the below, for those interested. fons, you'd maybe like this?
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To: linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org Subject: [LAU] A sound decision Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:26:36 -0200
http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/36698-from-windows-to-...
From Windows to Linux: a sound decision
Some excerpts:
Five years ago, when Geoff Beasley decided to move his sound studio business from a Windows-based one to a Linux-based setup, he had one simple bit of logic driving him: things could not be worse under Linux. ... "There's a great difference between working with commercial software and Linux," says Beasley. "One is the speed at which things get fixed - it is simply amazing. Another thing is that though I am always running software which is in a constant state of development, it is incredibly stable. It is not possible to get fixes at this speed from commercial vendors - the guys I work with are driven by the sheer elegance of their software and its flexibility. And I am constantly amazed at what I can do with my limited knowledge." ... Beasley's set-up:
SYSTEM SOFTWARE
All 5 of the production machines have the following subsystem:
Arch Linux system custom 2.6.31,6-rt19 kernel with RT preemption (essential for Xrun avoidance - click and pops) Desktop consisting of openbox, Adeskbar and pypanel. Display manager is Slim AUDIO jack2-svn (contains netone; which is netjack1 within jack2) Qjackctl-svn Rtirq (RT pci priorities for sound cards; also essential for Xrun avoidance)
LinAS LinAS is the audio master machine. It hosts 4 Hoontech C-Ports (ice1712-based chipset) in an Alsa multi-array providing 40 channels of audio to the other machines via 'netone'. jack is running with 2 periods @ 48kH and 64 frames giving a 'round-trip' latency (in and out) of 2.66 ms . Can be run @ 32 frames (half the latency) but the samplers struggle at this low a frame rate.
Uses Gjacktransport to control the jack transport here and therefore the netone slaves via jack transport.
LinDAW The Digital Audio Workstation hosts 'Ardour' as the main DAW software and also Mhwaveedit and Audacity for audio editing, Qjadeo for synchronous video playback with Ardour, K3b & GDC Master for CD mastering.
LinSeq The midi sequencer machine. Runs MusE 1.01-svn and Linuxsampler with the Fantasia (java) frontend. Magic. Mscore is the Linux music scoring program, started by the creator of MusE, Werner Schweer.
LinSampler Uses the program fst (free software studio) by Torben Hohn to run vsti's (virtual studio technology instruments) under wine. The two I run are Kontakt 2 and Sampletank 2. Both work 100 percent maybe better than under Wine.
LinVS This is the 'Video Server" This one specialises in distributing video throughout the complex via webcams using 'Cheese' to mount them. Kdenlive and capture cards are used to take interviews of Composers and Performers for web-based content enhancement. Qjadeo is used to playback vision also piped throughout.
LinFX Essentially hosts the Jc_Gui front end for Fons Adriaensen's Jconvolver. Using open source Impulse Responses. Gives reverbs to the mixing desk.
He should have bought some Macs and run ProTools on it! I really don't like Apple stuff in general, but the combination Mac + ProTools is amazing, it's stable and the features blow your mind. Of course Linux and Ardour are cheaper (what is cheaper than nothing? ;-) ), but reading, that he catched a virus using the Internet Explorer shows me, that he's really not that clever with computers. And I can't believe, that even Windows has to be reinstalled twice a year on a working machine. Does he have internet access with this computer? Does he randomly install stuff on it and uninstall it again? That's not what a studio computer should be used like. I'd say, he should have installed Windows on it, installed his software and that's it, no other crap on the system, no playing around. But still it's very nice to see that Ardour can be used in a professional environment. Let's see how well the next big release is gonna work (for those interested, yesterday I uploaded ardour3-svn to the AUR, it seemd quite stable to me at first sight) Thanks again for the link, I didn't know this article Greetz Army
Excerpts from Uli Armbruster's message of 2010-02-10 09:28:12 +0100:
* Ng Oon-Ee <ngoonee@gmail.com> [09.02.2010 23:46]:
Forwarding the below, for those interested. fons, you'd maybe like this?
-------- Forwarded Message --------
To: linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org Subject: [LAU] A sound decision Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:26:36 -0200
http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/36698-from-windows-to-...
From Windows to Linux: a sound decision
Some excerpts:
Five years ago, when Geoff Beasley decided to move his sound studio business from a Windows-based one to a Linux-based setup, he had one simple bit of logic driving him: things could not be worse under Linux. ... "There's a great difference between working with commercial software and Linux," says Beasley. "One is the speed at which things get fixed - it is simply amazing. Another thing is that though I am always running software which is in a constant state of development, it is incredibly stable. It is not possible to get fixes at this speed from commercial vendors - the guys I work with are driven by the sheer elegance of their software and its flexibility. And I am constantly amazed at what I can do with my limited knowledge." ... Beasley's set-up:
SYSTEM SOFTWARE
All 5 of the production machines have the following subsystem:
Arch Linux system custom 2.6.31,6-rt19 kernel with RT preemption (essential for Xrun avoidance - click and pops) Desktop consisting of openbox, Adeskbar and pypanel. Display manager is Slim AUDIO jack2-svn (contains netone; which is netjack1 within jack2) Qjackctl-svn Rtirq (RT pci priorities for sound cards; also essential for Xrun avoidance)
LinAS LinAS is the audio master machine. It hosts 4 Hoontech C-Ports (ice1712-based chipset) in an Alsa multi-array providing 40 channels of audio to the other machines via 'netone'. jack is running with 2 periods @ 48kH and 64 frames giving a 'round-trip' latency (in and out) of 2.66 ms . Can be run @ 32 frames (half the latency) but the samplers struggle at this low a frame rate.
Uses Gjacktransport to control the jack transport here and therefore the netone slaves via jack transport.
LinDAW The Digital Audio Workstation hosts 'Ardour' as the main DAW software and also Mhwaveedit and Audacity for audio editing, Qjadeo for synchronous video playback with Ardour, K3b & GDC Master for CD mastering.
LinSeq The midi sequencer machine. Runs MusE 1.01-svn and Linuxsampler with the Fantasia (java) frontend. Magic. Mscore is the Linux music scoring program, started by the creator of MusE, Werner Schweer.
LinSampler Uses the program fst (free software studio) by Torben Hohn to run vsti's (virtual studio technology instruments) under wine. The two I run are Kontakt 2 and Sampletank 2. Both work 100 percent maybe better than under Wine.
LinVS This is the 'Video Server" This one specialises in distributing video throughout the complex via webcams using 'Cheese' to mount them. Kdenlive and capture cards are used to take interviews of Composers and Performers for web-based content enhancement. Qjadeo is used to playback vision also piped throughout.
LinFX Essentially hosts the Jc_Gui front end for Fons Adriaensen's Jconvolver. Using open source Impulse Responses. Gives reverbs to the mixing desk.
He should have bought some Macs and run ProTools on it! I really don't like Apple stuff in general, but the combination Mac + ProTools is amazing, it's stable and the features blow your mind. Of course Linux and Ardour are cheaper (what is cheaper than nothing? ;-) ), but reading, that he catched a virus using the Internet Explorer shows me, that he's really not that clever with computers. And I can't believe, that even Windows has to be reinstalled twice a year on a working machine. Does he have internet access with this computer? Does he randomly install stuff on it and uninstall it again? That's not what a studio computer should be used like. I'd say, he should have installed Windows on it, installed his software and that's it, no other crap on the system, no playing around.
But still it's very nice to see that Ardour can be used in a professional environment. Let's see how well the next big release is gonna work (for those interested, yesterday I uploaded ardour3-svn to the AUR, it seemd quite stable to me at first sight)
Thanks again for the link, I didn't know this article
Greetz Army
Well, there are also lots of people who have complaints about macs and pt, but pt sure has good marketing. I doubt a networked setup such as his would be possible with pt. I doubt that A3 is anywhere near ready, that's why I don't think it's wise to provide it before a call for testers was made. Regards, Philipp
* hollunder <hollunder@lavabit.com> [10.02.2010 12:45]:
Well, there are also lots of people who have complaints about macs and pt, but pt sure has good marketing. I doubt a networked setup such as his would be possible with pt.
Well, I don't know if it's possible to set up a comparable networked setup with protools, that surely is a big advantage jack delivers us. Tomorrow I'll do a recording in a professional studio (SAE in munich, for those who know this school) which I guess uses mac + protools. I think I'll take a closer look to it, maybe they have such a networked setup there. But I doubt it..
I doubt that A3 is anywhere near ready, that's why I don't think it's wise to provide it before a call for testers was made.
I'll do some recording with ardour3 in the next few weeks, really looking forward to it. Maybe it's even already stable enough! We'll see.. ;-)
Regards, Philipp
Greetz Army
Excerpts from Uli Armbruster's message of 2010-02-10 13:11:50 +0100:
* hollunder <hollunder@lavabit.com> [10.02.2010 12:45]:
Well, there are also lots of people who have complaints about macs and pt, but pt sure has good marketing. I doubt a networked setup such as his would be possible with pt.
Well, I don't know if it's possible to set up a comparable networked setup with protools, that surely is a big advantage jack delivers us. Tomorrow I'll do a recording in a professional studio (SAE in munich, for those who know this school) which I guess uses mac + protools. I think I'll take a closer look to it, maybe they have such a networked setup there. But I doubt it..
The SAE in Munich did for a while sponsor Paul Davis to work on a Mac version of Ardour with a simplified user interface for teaching purposes. Maybe you can get us some information from there, whether it was used, how well it worked and so on.. Regards, Philipp
* hollunder <hollunder@lavabit.com> [10.02.2010 17:50]:
Excerpts from Uli Armbruster's message of 2010-02-10 13:11:50 +0100:
* hollunder <hollunder@lavabit.com> [10.02.2010 12:45]:
Well, there are also lots of people who have complaints about macs and pt, but pt sure has good marketing. I doubt a networked setup such as his would be possible with pt.
Well, I don't know if it's possible to set up a comparable networked setup with protools, that surely is a big advantage jack delivers us. Tomorrow I'll do a recording in a professional studio (SAE in munich, for those who know this school) which I guess uses mac + protools. I think I'll take a closer look to it, maybe they have such a networked setup there. But I doubt it..
The SAE in Munich did for a while sponsor Paul Davis to work on a Mac version of Ardour with a simplified user interface for teaching purposes. Maybe you can get us some information from there, whether it was used, how well it worked and so on..
Regards, Philipp
So, back again. I really had close to no time yesterday to talk to people, I was the guy who was chosen to be the one with the camera, because I'm our "multimedia guy" ;-) But I asked the 2nd tone assistant about the software being used in the SAE and he talked about ProTools, Logic, Cubase and Nuendo. I asked him, if he knows Ardour, he said, of course, the guy who wrote that software is right next door! But the guy was gone already. I forgot his name, but it was not Paul Davis ;-) But I guess he might be a contributor or something. About the networked setup, well, in the control room there was no networked setup, the computer was there and every other hardware. Only the backups are stored on another computer via network. For those interested, tomorrow we'll get the final product and provide it as free (free in the sense of free beer) download on our homepage http://www.unstucc.de and on http://www.myspace.com/unstucc (I hope a little advertisement is allowed here ;-) ) It's a crossover song with Metal and HipHop, a little bit like Linkin Park. Greetz Army
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