Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* -> tty* transition
On Sun 19 Jul 2009 12:01 +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
First off, I don't like modifying config files. But, given I did this update and still managed to screw my system up when testing it with a reboot...
So it is a question of which I hate more; post install messages or automatically fixing the file.
A post install message means that I tell all complaining users that they should have read their pacman output. But hang on, they are already told that there is a .pacnew file for what is a very important config file. So I can say that anyway. So here is my prototype install file...
post_install() { if [ -f "/etc/inittab.pacnew" ]; then echo "You are being very stupid if you did not take notice of that warning about a .pacnew file" fi }
A simple sed of the config file means much, much less complaining users. And given the number of complaints I got about libjpeg7 (wheres the thanks now gtk and kde are working?), I am very, very tempted just to do the sed.
If you expect the users to be stupid they will be stupid, and you will hold their hand, and they will begin to expect you to hold their hand, and then we're in trouble. We will snowball right into Archbuntu. So. Do what's right. Give users a warning, give them time to adjust. If people start complaining, give them the straight line, plug your ears and sing 'Lalalala I warned you.' Don't stress yourself. You're not even being paid after all.
On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 22:34 -0400, Loui Chang wrote:
On Sun 19 Jul 2009 12:01 +1000, Allan McRae wrote:
First off, I don't like modifying config files. But, given I did this update and still managed to screw my system up when testing it with a reboot...
So it is a question of which I hate more; post install messages or automatically fixing the file.
A post install message means that I tell all complaining users that they should have read their pacman output. But hang on, they are already told that there is a .pacnew file for what is a very important config file. So I can say that anyway. So here is my prototype install file...
post_install() { if [ -f "/etc/inittab.pacnew" ]; then echo "You are being very stupid if you did not take notice of that warning about a .pacnew file" fi }
A simple sed of the config file means much, much less complaining users. And given the number of complaints I got about libjpeg7 (wheres the thanks now gtk and kde are working?), I am very, very tempted just to do the sed.
If you expect the users to be stupid they will be stupid, and you will hold their hand, and they will begin to expect you to hold their hand, and then we're in trouble. We will snowball right into Archbuntu.
So. Do what's right. Give users a warning, give them time to adjust. If people start complaining, give them the straight line, plug your ears and sing 'Lalalala I warned you.' Don't stress yourself. You're not even being paid after all.
Are you saying to users..... Don't use Arch we don't care or Piss off we do what we want?
Baho Utot wrote:
On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 22:34 -0400, Loui Chang wrote:
If you expect the users to be stupid they will be stupid, and you will hold their hand, and they will begin to expect you to hold their hand, and then we're in trouble. We will snowball right into Archbuntu.
So. Do what's right. Give users a warning, give them time to adjust. If people start complaining, give them the straight line, plug your ears and sing 'Lalalala I warned you.' Don't stress yourself. You're not even being paid after all.
Are you saying to users.....
Don't use Arch we don't care or Piss off we do what we want?
Exactly. Right on the dot! That was the way it once was and that is what made arch great.
On Sun, 2009-07-19 at 10:13 -0400, Matthew wrote:
Baho Utot wrote:
On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 22:34 -0400, Loui Chang wrote:
If you expect the users to be stupid they will be stupid, and you will hold their hand, and they will begin to expect you to hold their hand, and then we're in trouble. We will snowball right into Archbuntu.
So. Do what's right. Give users a warning, give them time to adjust. If people start complaining, give them the straight line, plug your ears and sing 'Lalalala I warned you.' Don't stress yourself. You're not even being paid after all.
Are you saying to users.....
Don't use Arch we don't care or Piss off we do what we want?
Exactly. Right on the dot! That was the way it once was and that is what made arch great.
That is sad.
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Baho Utot
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Loui Chang
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Matthew