[...] from what i see accessibility, is broken a lot in gnome 3 and i hope they will fix that in 3.2

A little bit off-topic, but how often is the 'Fun statistics' [1] changing . I ask because I think it is interesting what impact Gnome3 has. [1] https://www.archlinux.de/?page=FunStatistics -- ======================================== This mail was sent using 100% recycled electrons ========================================

On Monday, May 09, 2011 12:53:55 Mauro Santos wrote:

On 09-05-2011 18:45, Filip Filipov wrote:

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[...] from what i see accessibility, is broken a lot in gnome 3 and i hope they will fix that in 3.2

A little bit off-topic, but how often is the 'Fun statistics' [1] changing . I ask because I think it is interesting what impact Gnome3 has.

[1] https://www.archlinux.de/?page=FunStatistics

Even more off-topic, aren't percentages supposed to add to 100%? :p

How conformist of you! :O

Thanks for telling me about the desktop being gone. I really wondered and am a bit surprised as I thought most people valued and used a desktop area quite a bit. Yes, I opened up my home directory from the places and then opened the desktop folder from there. Actually, I think my desktop was actually a top level folder in my places menu but still, not the same. In fact, I have had launchers on the desktop in the past but I guess I could get them on there again if I wanted. It's just that the desktop was typically addressable from a single keystroke before. Well whatever... I've heard comments like that before about gnome getting less and less configurable; pretty soon, it will be like that other windows operating system out there.

-----Mensaje original----- De: arch-general-bounces@archlinux.org [mailto:arch-general- bounces@archlinux.org] En nombre de Steve Holmes Enviado el: lunes, 09 de mayo de 2011 21:46 Para: General Discussion about Arch Linux Asunto: Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

Thanks for telling me about the desktop being gone. I really wondered and am a bit surprised as I thought most people valued and used a desktop area quite a bit. Yes, I opened up my home directory from the places and then opened the desktop folder from there. Actually, I think my desktop was actually a top level folder in my places menu but still, not the same. In fact, I have had launchers on the desktop in the past but I guess I could get them on there again if I wanted. It's just that the desktop was typically addressable from a single keystroke before. Well whatever...

I've heard comments like that before about gnome getting less and less configurable; pretty soon, it will be like that other windows operating system out there.

You can install gnome-tweak-tool. When you launch it, the last option is "File Manager". Then you can select "Have file manager handle the desktop". Logout, login, and your icons and folders should be back to your desktop. It works almost as it used to. Best Regards, Guillermo Leira

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Ionut Biru wrote:

On 05/09/2011 11:11 PM, Guillermo Leira wrote:

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You can install gnome-tweak-tool. When you launch it, the last option is "File Manager". Then you can select "Have file manager handle the desktop". Logout, login, and your icons and folders should be back to your desktop. It works almost as it used to.

i don't really encourage anyone to do that when using gnome-shell. With gnome-shell only ONE instance of the application can run and enabling the desktop to be handled by nautilus will mean that is running in the background and you cannot click on the icon to launch it again.

ah ... slightly annoying. thanks for that. i had it enabled for all my machines because i like nautilus-driven desktop, but this is subtle and i didn't notice the effect it would have ... sooo, how can you have two directories open then? i see that it works by clicking on the desktop directories twice; couldn't the icon be made to launch nautilus in the same way (however that is)? C Anthony

On 5/9/11, Jan Steffens wrote:

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:58 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:

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sooo, how can you have two directories open then? i see that it works by clicking on the desktop directories twice; couldn't the icon be made to launch nautilus in the same way (however that is)?

Ctrl+Click on the launcher will open a new window. As will Right Click → New Window. Middle Click on the launcher will open a new window on a new workspace.

Are there keyboard alternatives to any of these clicking options? Also, can gnome-tweak-tool be used without gnome-shell running? I had to uninstall gnome-shell because it was extremely inaccessible to the Orca screen reader. I understand this a11y problem will not be resolved until gnome 3.2 is released <sigh>.

I have a desktop now. I didn't have to run gnome-shell or keep it permanenttly installed. This is what I did, and it should work for you as well. Go into a terminal and enter these commands: sudo pacman -S gnome-shell gnome-tweak-tool gnome-tweak-tool Now go to the second page from the bottom, I think it's called "file manager" or similar and tab to the button that speaks, "switch toggle button not pressed." Unfortunately, most of these buttons and dropdown boxes don't speak what they are, but this one is the only thing in that window. Press space to activate the button. Then you can just hit alt-f4 to close the window. You should be placed back in the terminal where you ran gnome-tweak-tool, where you now can run sudo pacman -R gnome-shell gnome-tweak-tool The next time you log in, you will have a Nautilus desktop nearly as you remember it from 2.32 and earlier. Orca will have a few problems, such as saying that every icon you land on is unselected and that you never have anything selected on your desktop when using the "where am I" function, but overall, it works. You also still won't be able to use alt-control-d to get to your desktop, but it seems to be in the panel list once again. Hope this helps get you up and running. ~Kyle

According to Sorin-Mihai Vârgolici: # GSETTINGS_BACKEND=dconf gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons true Wow! I wish I had known about this before I did all that extra stuff with gnome-tweek-tool, gnome-shell and pacman. :) Is there a good source of documentation for dconf and gsettings so I can find out what all I can set in this way? Also, does the configuration editor help with discovery of these settings? ~Kyle

On 05/11/2011 02:06 AM, Kyle wrote:

According to Sorin-Mihai Vârgolici: # GSETTINGS_BACKEND=dconf gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons true

Wow! I wish I had known about this before I did all that extra stuff with gnome-tweek-tool, gnome-shell and pacman. :) Is there a good source of documentation for dconf and gsettings so I can find out what all I can set in this way? Also, does the configuration editor help with discovery of these settings? ~Kyle

want to know something cool? you can even do profiling and customize gsettings using plain text files! https://live.gnome.org/dconf/SystemAdminstrators -- Ionuț

According to Ionut Biru: # correct link: https://live.gnome.org/dconf/SystemAdministrators Some good stuff here. Thanks for the link. ~Kyle

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Filip Filipov wrote:

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 01:40, Steve Holmes wrote:

in the gnomeShell cheat sheet[1] it is only written "Most keybindings can be viewed under the User Menu -> System Settings -> Keyboard -> Shortcuts", although I don't know what they call 'User Menu'.

lets hope it will be.

[1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet

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"user menu" seems to be what you see when you click your username on the top right corner of your desktop.