[arch-general] Painful installation of 4.3 - some general advice needed.
Massive headache, well, actually it wasn't an upgrade it was a brand new HDD (kept the old one). all this started when I was stupid enough to install scribus > libreadline version problems and couldn't back track, Some other file was somehow affected and needed to run a terminal because then my arch isntall wouldn't boot at all, so I opted to buy another disk for my laptop and do a new install as I felt that at somepoint I'd have to upgrade anway. I'd appreciate a bit of advice. 1) the libjepg.7 vs 62 problem - I've exhaustively tried every solution over the last few hours on the forums and cannot get kmail to work - loads but 'poof; up in smoke once the gui appears 2) Dolphin - I really liked konqueror - can one still install this as a file browser. I note there is a kdebase-konqueror package, using this > multiple 'file exists in the filesystem' messages I could use a force but god knows what this will trash. Any alternatives. 3) Is there anyway to have two tool bars down the bottom like one could in KDE3 4) is it is any way possible to import kmail boxes (in one go) into thunderbird - mind you I like kmail better! 5) Kwrite ? same applies kdebase-kwrite but is it possible to install under kde4.3? Overall this has been a very very painful experience. I found the archlinux iso would in no way allow me to partition and format my disk - I created these with an external program > once they were recognised, at other times not, but at the end of the day installation was impossible. Chakra was kinder to me - recognised the existing partitions, and installed everything (alpha3), mind you no keyboard, so it died at the add user, so I used the arch install disk to boot that system, and manually added users and grub-install. Then every second program seems to whinge about the libjepg thing. Not a happy chappy, having used ARCH since version 0.4 and it has always been such a pleasure to use and maintain. Any help/comments/advice would be muchly appreciated. Richard
I'll talk about my machine, with KDE4. I don't know why you get all these weird stuff.
1) the libjepg.7 vs 62 problem - I've exhaustively tried every solution over the last few hours on the forums and cannot get kmail to work - loads but 'poof; up in smoke once the gui appears
My kmail is working without these problems. Haven't get any problem with libjpeg since I've tried to mix up testing repo and normal repo. 2) Dolphin - I really liked konqueror - can one still install this as a
file browser. I note there is a kdebase-konqueror package, using this > multiple 'file exists in the filesystem' messages I could use a force but god knows what this will trash. Any alternatives.
I'm using konqueror for web browsing, and from times to times as a ftp browser. konqueror is still working, and can still open folder. But I can't find out how to tell to KDE that I wanna konqueror as default file browser. 3) Is there anyway to have two tool bars down the bottom like one could in
KDE3
I've just tried. I believe that it's not possible. Anyway, you can put most of the thing you would find in a tool bar on the desktop. Like the systray, and the task manager. You could simulate a second tool bar this way. 4) is it is any way possible to import kmail boxes (in one go) into
thunderbird - mind you I like kmail better! 5) Kwrite ? same applies kdebase-kwrite but is it possible to install under kde4.3?
Kwrite is working for me. Kate too. For kmail/thunderbird, I don't know. never try to import anything. Good luck for the install.
2) Dolphin - I really liked konqueror - can one still install this as a
file browser. I note there is a kdebase-konqueror package, using this > multiple 'file exists in the filesystem' messages I could use a force but god knows what this will trash. Any alternatives.
I'm using konqueror for web browsing, and from times to times as a ftp browser. konqueror is still working, and can still open folder. But I can't find out how to tell to KDE that I wanna konqueror as default file browser.
System Setting -> Default Applications -> File manager. I changed it but it still launched dolphin. I think the menu needs to be edited for that. -- Shridhar
Am oder ungefähr am Montag, 17. August 2009, um 09:48:37 schrieb Shridhar Daithankar:
2) Dolphin - I really liked konqueror - can one still install this as a
file browser. I note there is a kdebase-konqueror package, using this > multiple 'file exists in the filesystem' messages I could use a force but god knows what this will trash. Any alternatives.
I'm using konqueror for web browsing, and from times to times as a ftp browser. konqueror is still working, and can still open folder. But I can't find out how to tell to KDE that I wanna konqueror as default file browser.
System Setting -> Default Applications -> File manager. I changed it but it still launched dolphin. I think the menu needs to be edited for that.
I think you need to go to System Settings -> Advanced -> File Associations and change the association of inode/directory to use Konqueror with higher priority than Dolphin. Edgar
I think you need to go to System Settings -> Advanced -> File Associations and change the association of inode/directory to use Konqueror with higher priority than Dolphin.
Edgar
I've done this one, with no more success. Probably need a bug report.
richard terry schrieb:
1) the libjepg.7 vs 62 problem - I've exhaustively tried every solution over the last few hours on the forums and cannot get kmail to work - loads but 'poof; up in smoke once the gui appears
On a fresh install, there is no issue with libjpeg at all, there's just the .so.7, nothing else. Didn't try kmail, but I've seen it working.
2) Dolphin - I really liked konqueror - can one still install this as a file browser. I note there is a kdebase-konqueror package, using this > multiple 'file exists in the filesystem' messages I could use a force but god knows what this will trash. Any alternatives.
No problems here, kdebase-konqueror is installed here and there was never any conflict.
5) Kwrite ? same applies kdebase-kwrite but is it possible to install under kde4.3?
kdebase-kwrite is also installed here. What did you screw up to get all these conflicts? There is no problem with the packages in extra.
Overall this has been a very very painful experience. I found the archlinux iso would in no way allow me to partition and format my disk - I created these with an external program > once they were recognised, at other times not, but at the end of the day installation was impossible.
Also never seen that.
Chakra was kinder to me - recognised the existing partitions, and installed everything (alpha3), mind you no keyboard, so it died at the add user, so I used the arch install disk to boot that system, and manually added users and grub-install.
Then every second program seems to whinge about the libjepg thing.
Probably chakra installed tons of crap that is out of date or broken. When you install Arch from our repositories, there will be no problem with libjpeg or KDE, so please report these problems to chakra, not us.
Well, I'm not a Chakra or kde user but I can say that I quite familiar with the PKGBUILDS of core and extra packages, and needless to say, it's not always consistent most of the times. So stop blaming others and work your ass off when required! /ali On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Thomas Bächler <thomas@archlinux.org>wrote:
richard terry schrieb:
1) the libjepg.7 vs 62 problem - I've exhaustively tried every solution over the last few hours on the forums and cannot get kmail to work - loads but 'poof; up in smoke once the gui appears
On a fresh install, there is no issue with libjpeg at all, there's just the .so.7, nothing else. Didn't try kmail, but I've seen it working.
2) Dolphin - I really liked konqueror - can one still install this as a
file browser. I note there is a kdebase-konqueror package, using this > multiple 'file exists in the filesystem' messages I could use a force but god knows what this will trash. Any alternatives.
No problems here, kdebase-konqueror is installed here and there was never any conflict.
5) Kwrite ? same applies kdebase-kwrite but is it possible to install
under kde4.3?
kdebase-kwrite is also installed here. What did you screw up to get all these conflicts? There is no problem with the packages in extra.
Overall this has been a very very painful experience. I found the
archlinux iso would in no way allow me to partition and format my disk - I created these with an external program > once they were recognised, at other times not, but at the end of the day installation was impossible.
Also never seen that.
Chakra was kinder to me - recognised the existing partitions, and
installed everything (alpha3), mind you no keyboard, so it died at the add user, so I used the arch install disk to boot that system, and manually added users and grub-install.
Then every second program seems to whinge about the libjepg thing.
Probably chakra installed tons of crap that is out of date or broken. When you install Arch from our repositories, there will be no problem with libjpeg or KDE, so please report these problems to chakra, not us.
Ali H. Caliskan schrieb:
Well, I'm not a Chakra or kde user but I can say that I quite familiar with the PKGBUILDS of core and extra packages, and needless to say, it's not always consistent most of the times. So stop blaming others and work your ass off when required!
Very polite of you. Let me reply with an equally polite "Shut up, when you don't know what you are talking about". None of the packaging problems mentioned in the original post exist in core/extra, there are no file conflicts when using kde from extra, and there is not a single package in extra (and probably also community)that requires or uses libjpeg.so.62. The only explanation I have is: - chakra installs outdated versions of arch packages in combination with kdemod packages which depend on libjpeg.so.6 - chakra installs kdemod, which since extra/kde 4.3 was released don't have proper conflicts= tags, so there will be file conflicts unless you delete the kdemod packages first. All the problems mentioned in this "fresh installation" result from the fact that the system was installed from chakra and has non-official packages on it that induce incompatibilities with the stock package set.
...says the "sweet talker" who knows what he talks about. Why don't you patch your fracking mount as you patch the PKGBUILDS! On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Thomas Bächler <thomas@archlinux.org>wrote:
Ali H. Caliskan schrieb:
Well, I'm not a Chakra or kde user but I can say that I quite familiar with the PKGBUILDS of core and extra packages, and needless to say, it's not always consistent most of the times. So stop blaming others and work your ass off when required!
Very polite of you. Let me reply with an equally polite "Shut up, when you don't know what you are talking about".
None of the packaging problems mentioned in the original post exist in core/extra, there are no file conflicts when using kde from extra, and there is not a single package in extra (and probably also community)that requires or uses libjpeg.so.62.
The only explanation I have is: - chakra installs outdated versions of arch packages in combination with kdemod packages which depend on libjpeg.so.6 - chakra installs kdemod, which since extra/kde 4.3 was released don't have proper conflicts= tags, so there will be file conflicts unless you delete the kdemod packages first.
All the problems mentioned in this "fresh installation" result from the fact that the system was installed from chakra and has non-official packages on it that induce incompatibilities with the stock package set.
Ali H. Caliskan escribió:
...says the "sweet talker" who knows what he talks about. Why don't you patch your fracking mount as you patch the PKGBUILDS!
Do you know that is free software?, open a bug and/or create a patch for the PKGBUILD with problems.
well it's certainly the way to go, unfortunately I'm occupied with some pythonic endevours right now. I let the master speak for himself. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Antonio de la Rosa <webmaster@web-t-sys.com
wrote:
Ali H. Caliskan escribió:
...says the "sweet talker" who knows what he talks about. Why don't you patch your fracking mount as you patch the PKGBUILDS!
Do you know that is free software?, open a bug and/or create a patch for the PKGBUILD with problems.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:20, Ali H. Caliskan<ali.h.caliskan@gmail.com> wrote:
well it's certainly the way to go, unfortunately I'm occupied with some pythonic endevours right now. I let the master speak for himself. Is there really a need to keep trolling? Let's keep the lists free of juvenile crap like that please. No here one is interested in it.
Ali H. Caliskan schrieb:
...says the "sweet talker" who knows what he talks about. Why don't you patch your fracking mount as you patch the PKGBUILDS!
If there was in fact something broken, you could tell me what it is. But you don't do that, you are simply trolling, that's it. So, what should I patch/fix again? (Not saying that nothing is broken in the repositories, just saying that we are not responsible for any of the breakage the original poster mentioned)
Excerpts from Ali H. Caliskan's message of Mon Aug 17 10:10:27 -0400 2009:
...says the "sweet talker" who knows what he talks about. Why don't you patch your fracking mount as you patch the PKGBUILDS!
Is this really a good problem resolution strategy? Lets all please calm down. -- Andrei Thorp, Developer: Xandros Corp. (http://www.xandros.com)
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Ali H. Caliskan
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Andrei Thorp
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Antonio de la Rosa
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Daenyth Blank
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Edgar Kalkowski
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ludovic coues
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richard terry
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Shridhar Daithankar
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Thomas Bächler