Listmates, Before filing a bug, I would like to see if anyone else can confirm this behavior with an i686 install. I installed kde-unstable which installed kdm instead of kdm3. With kdm3 everything seemed OK. I could select kde or kde3 as the session type and I could do a 'console login' (CTRL+N). However, with kdm, I no longer have the option of starting kde3 and console login fails. The console login just appears to do a kdm restart. It just flashes blank and then right back to the kdm greeter. Bugs or features? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com