Re: [arch-general] LightDM GTK+ Greeter 2.0.0
On 02/25/2015 04:33 PM, Pablo Lezaeta Reyes wrote:
* Hi all, *>>>>>>* Version 2.0.0 of the LightDM GTK greeter was released about week ago. *>>>* This release drops GTK2 support. *>>>>*> That's ironic, Xfce recommend lightdm as DM for the gtk2 theme, and the *>*> upcomimng xfce-gtk-engine 3.1 drop gtk3 support. *>*> *> From what I saw, it didn't drop it. It just disabled it by default, which makes sense given that the desktop is GTK+2 only and they don't want to unnecessary pull in the gtk+3 dep only for the engine.
* Therefore I propose to rename the current "lightdm-gtk3-greeter" into *>>>* "lightdm-gtk-greeter" and drop the legacy "lightdm-gtk2-greeter" to AUR. *>*> looking oxygen keep the gtk3 in AUR gtk3 only themes tend to use gtk3 and *>*> gtk2 only thend to use gtk or gtk2, I will preffer keep the 3 in the name. *>>*> I could keep "lightdm-gtk2-greeter" around for a while in [community] if *>>*> some people want me to (I'm thinking people using MATE for example, *>>*> but it's going towards GTK3 anyway), but keep in mind that you can use *>>>* LXDM instead if you really need a GTK2 display manager. *>*> Or Xfce4 users, the upcoming xfce4 release is gtk2, and only after that the *>*> migration to gtk3 will start. *>*> so a gtk2-greeter will be apreciated until xfce drop gtk2, and dont forget *>*> that LXDM is now presumably unmaintained or in low maintainance since they *>*> migrate to QT *>>>>>*> If there aren't any objections by the end of the week, I'll
3.1.0 taged http://git.xfce.org/xfce/gtk-xfce-engine/tree/NEWS verbatim from the news: "Gtk+-3 support has been stopped" I asume they keep it but they stop supporting so I think unles a patch that fix all the themes emerge wldly, will be better drop xfce3-gtk-engine or the entire xfce-gtk-engine, but that mostly prove that they not support gtk3, drop gtk2-greeter will render without a wai to use a gtk2 only environment since lxdm is mostly no-more-maintained and is better have a greeter than a binary unsupported. Also xfce4 recomend greybird as theme for xfce if someone need a gtk2-gtk3 theme proceed with my *>>*> proposal. *>>>>*> Me *>*> *>>>* Cheers, *>> tldr; I will go for keep gtk2-greeter for xfce4 user since lxdm is semi-unmaintained and better a unmaintained theme that a binary. someone know if slim keep working with systemd, last time was buggy or not start or not let thing start at all (like logind) -- *Pablo Lezaeta*
On 26/02/15 06:15, Pablo Lezaeta Reyes wrote:
On 02/25/2015 04:33 PM, Pablo Lezaeta Reyes wrote:
* Hi all, *>>>>>>* Version 2.0.0 of the LightDM GTK greeter was released about week ago. *>>>* This release drops GTK2 support. *>>>>*> That's ironic, Xfce recommend lightdm as DM for the gtk2 theme, and the *>*> upcomimng xfce-gtk-engine 3.1 drop gtk3 support. *>*> *> From what I saw, it didn't drop it. It just disabled it by default, which makes sense given that the desktop is GTK+2 only and they don't want to unnecessary pull in the gtk+3 dep only for the engine.
3.1.0 taged http://git.xfce.org/xfce/gtk-xfce-engine/tree/NEWS
verbatim from the news: "Gtk+-3 support has been stopped"
I asume they keep it but they stop supporting so I think unles a patch that fix all the themes emerge wldly, will be better drop xfce3-gtk-engine or the entire xfce-gtk-engine, but that mostly prove that they not support gtk3, drop gtk2-greeter will render without a wai to use a gtk2 only environment since lxdm is mostly no-more-maintained and is better have a greeter than a binary unsupported.
Also xfce4 recomend greybird as theme for xfce if someone need a gtk2-gtk3 theme
* Therefore I propose to rename the current "lightdm-gtk3-greeter" into *>>>* "lightdm-gtk-greeter" and drop the legacy "lightdm-gtk2-greeter" to AUR. *>*> looking oxygen keep the gtk3 in AUR gtk3 only themes tend to use gtk3 and *>*> gtk2 only thend to use gtk or gtk2, I will preffer keep the 3 in the name. *>>*> I could keep "lightdm-gtk2-greeter" around for a while in [community] if *>>*> some people want me to (I'm thinking people using MATE for example, *>>*> but it's going towards GTK3 anyway), but keep in mind that you can use *>>>* LXDM instead if you really need a GTK2 display manager. *>*> Or Xfce4 users, the upcoming xfce4 release is gtk2, and only after that the *>*> migration to gtk3 will start. *>*> so a gtk2-greeter will be apreciated until xfce drop gtk2, and dont forget *>*> that LXDM is now presumably unmaintained or in low maintainance since they *>*> migrate to QT *>>>>>*> If there aren't any objections by the end of the week, I'll proceed with my *>>*> proposal. *>>>>*> Me *>*> *>>>* Cheers, *>>
tldr; I will go for keep gtk2-greeter for xfce4 user since lxdm is semi-unmaintained and better a unmaintained theme that a binary. someone know if slim keep working with systemd, last time was buggy or not start or not let thing start at all (like logind)
I'm using slim with systemd and have noticed no issues. My arch is up to date. I was interested in this thread because I was thinking of trying lightdm with light-locker. I can't get xflock4 and gnome-screensaver to lock the screen. It works if I run xflock4 from the cli but the screen locking is not working automatically via power-manager. Regards, Richard
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:32:13 +0000, Richard Ullger wrote:
I was interested in this thread because I was thinking of trying lightdm
I prefer an environment, IOW a window manager and applications based on GTK2, but I'm using lightdm with the GTK3 greeter and don't understand why there should be a problem doing this. Once I used lightdm without an additional greeter, perhaps it's impossible nowadays, I dunno. The greeter has absolutely no impact to an user sessions. Regards, Ralf -- "We believe in the synergies that develop from several relations. So, livestock, crop production, energy production, and aquaculture energize each other." - http://www.songhai.org/index.php/en/qui-sommes-nous-en/vision-mission-en
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:15 AM, Pablo Lezaeta Reyes
On 02/25/2015 04:33 PM, Pablo Lezaeta Reyes wrote:
* Hi all, *>>>>>>* Version 2.0.0 of the LightDM GTK greeter was released about week ago. *>>>* This release drops GTK2 support. *>>>>*> That's ironic, Xfce recommend lightdm as DM for the gtk2 theme, and the *>*> upcomimng xfce-gtk-engine 3.1 drop gtk3 support. *>*> *> From what I saw, it didn't drop it. It just disabled it by default, which makes sense given that the desktop is GTK+2 only and they don't want to unnecessary pull in the gtk+3 dep only for the engine.
3.1.0 taged http://git.xfce.org/xfce/gtk-xfce-engine/tree/NEWS
verbatim from the news: "Gtk+-3 support has been stopped"
I asume they keep it but they stop supporting so I think unles a patch that fix all the themes emerge wldly, will be better drop xfce3-gtk-engine or the entire xfce-gtk-engine, but that mostly prove that they not support gtk3, drop gtk2-greeter will render without a wai to use a gtk2 only environment since lxdm is mostly no-more-maintained and is better have a greeter than a binary unsupported.
Also xfce4 recomend greybird as theme for xfce if someone need a gtk2-gtk3 theme
* Therefore I propose to rename the current "lightdm-gtk3-greeter" into *>>>* "lightdm-gtk-greeter" and drop the legacy "lightdm-gtk2-greeter" to AUR. *>*> looking oxygen keep the gtk3 in AUR gtk3 only themes tend to use gtk3 and *>*> gtk2 only thend to use gtk or gtk2, I will preffer keep the 3 in the name. *>>*> I could keep "lightdm-gtk2-greeter" around for a while in [community] if *>>*> some people want me to (I'm thinking people using MATE for example, *>>*> but it's going towards GTK3 anyway), but keep in mind that you can use *>>>* LXDM instead if you really need a GTK2 display manager. *>*> Or Xfce4 users, the upcoming xfce4 release is gtk2, and only after that the *>*> migration to gtk3 will start. *>*> so a gtk2-greeter will be apreciated until xfce drop gtk2, and dont forget *>*> that LXDM is now presumably unmaintained or in low maintainance since they *>*> migrate to QT *>>>>>*> If there aren't any objections by the end of the week, I'll proceed with my *>>*> proposal. *>>>>*> Me *>*> *>>>* Cheers, *>>
tldr; I will go for keep gtk2-greeter for xfce4 user since lxdm is semi-unmaintained and better a unmaintained theme that a binary. someone know if slim keep working with systemd, last time was buggy or not start or not let thing start at all (like logind)
-- *Pablo Lezaeta*
LXDM is a different story because AFAIK it hasn't been officially abandonned, whereas the LightDM GTK2 greeter has, meaning I essentially become upstream if I continue to package it. Anyone is free to keep maintining it in AUR though, it won't be lost into oblivion. Also, as Ralf mentioned, even for a GTK2 desktop, the GTK3 greeter will work just fine if you can live with a few more megabytes. As for the change of name, we always try to follow upstream's naming, the GTK2 drop is a good opportunity to abide by that. FTR nearly all other distros have had a single "lightdm-gtk-greeter" package for a while now, providing only the GTK3 greeter even when GTK2 was still an option. Since a lot less people than I expected seem to object, I pushed 2.0.0 in [community-testing] for now, please give it a spin. Cheers, -- Maxime
On 26 February 2015 at 13:31, Maxime Gauduin
LXDM is a different story because AFAIK it hasn't been officially abandonned, whereas the LightDM GTK2 greeter has, meaning I essentially become upstream if I continue to package it. Anyone is free to keep maintining it in AUR though, it won't be lost into oblivion. Also, as Ralf mentioned, even for a GTK2 desktop, the GTK3 greeter will work just fine if you can live with a few more megabytes.
As for the change of name, we always try to follow upstream's naming, the GTK2 drop is a good opportunity to abide by that. FTR nearly all other distros have had a single "lightdm-gtk-greeter" package for a while now, providing only the GTK3 greeter even when GTK2 was still an option.
Since a lot less people than I expected seem to object, I pushed 2.0.0 in [community-testing] for now, please give it a spin.
Cheers, -- Maxime
Here's a more official word on it: LXDM is discontinued. It will continue to receive minor and security-related updates, but we no longer recommend it, even for LXDE legacy. Use SDDM instead if possible. J. Leclanche
participants (5)
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Jerome Leclanche
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Maxime Gauduin
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Pablo Lezaeta Reyes
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Ralf Mardorf
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Richard Ullger