[arch-general] Surviving without X
Hi, Do you think it's possible to live without X, replacing framebuffer for it, using packages available for arch? I imagine something like DirectFB or similar, using it when text is not enough. I think I could do with a browser and a pdf viewer, but I wasn't able to find a direction to follow to get that. Has any of you tried it already? Thanks, Maurício
2009/3/29 Maurício <briqueabraque@yahoo.com>
Hi,
Do you think it's possible to live without X, replacing framebuffer for it, using packages available for arch? I imagine something like DirectFB or similar, using it when text is not enough. I think I could do with a browser and a pdf viewer, but I wasn't able to find a direction to follow to get that. Has any of you tried it already?
Thanks, Maurício
You can use fbgs from fbida package to see pdf's, and a browser like w3m-graphics or links-g.
And yes, it is possible.
mplayer also has a fb output plugin On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:34 PM, BinkyTheClown <binky@archlinux.us> wrote:
2009/3/29 Maurício <briqueabraque@yahoo.com>
Hi,
Do you think it's possible to live without X, replacing framebuffer for it, using packages available for arch? I imagine something like DirectFB or similar, using it when text is not enough. I think I could do with a browser and a pdf viewer, but I wasn't able to find a direction to follow to get that. Has any of you tried it already?
Thanks, Maurício
You can use fbgs from fbida package to see pdf's, and a browser like w3m-graphics or links-g.
And yes, it is possible.
I'm not quite sure where it is, but if you have the time to search, there is a thread on the arch bbs about doing exactly what you want. A lot of applications and hints/tips are in there. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Juan Diego <juantascon@gmail.com> wrote:
mplayer also has a fb output plugin
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:34 PM, BinkyTheClown <binky@archlinux.us> wrote:
2009/3/29 Maurício <briqueabraque@yahoo.com>
Hi,
Do you think it's possible to live without X, replacing framebuffer for it, using packages available for arch? I imagine something like DirectFB or similar, using it when text is not enough. I think I could do with a browser and a pdf viewer, but I wasn't able to find a direction to follow to get that. Has any of you tried it already?
Thanks, Maurício
You can use fbgs from fbida package to see pdf's, and a browser like w3m-graphics or links-g.
And yes, it is possible.
Do you think it's possible to live without X, replacing framebuffer for it, using packages available for arch? (...)
You can use fbgs from fbida package to see pdf's, and a browser like w3m-graphics or links-g. And yes, it is possible.
mplayer also has a fb output plugin
I'm not quite sure where it is, but if you have the time to search, there is a thread on the arch bbs about doing exactly what you want. (...)
Thanks for all tips. I'm also concerned about the terminal itself. Unicode is important to me, and today I use 'mlterm' with 'Liberation' font. Can I get the same with a framebuffer terminal? Maurício
On 21:10 Mon 30 Mar , Maurício wrote:
Do you think it's possible to live without X, replacing framebuffer for it, using packages available for arch? (...)
You can use fbgs from fbida package to see pdf's, and a browser like w3m-graphics or links-g. And yes, it is possible.
mplayer also has a fb output plugin
I'm not quite sure where it is, but if you have the time to search, there is a thread on the arch bbs about doing exactly what you want. (...)
Thanks for all tips.
I'm also concerned about the terminal itself. Unicode is important to me, and today I use 'mlterm' with 'Liberation' font. Can I get the same with a framebuffer terminal?
Maurício
If by same you mean getting unicode on a virtual console, then yes its possible. I think the lat2-16.psfu.gz font (which you can set in your rc.conf) is unicode. Gerald Otter
Do you think it's possible to live without X, replacing framebuffer for it, using packages available for arch? (...) You can use fbgs from fbida package to see pdf's, and a browser like w3m-graphics or links-g. And yes, it is possible. mplayer also has a fb output plugin I'm not quite sure where it is, but if you have the time to search, there is a thread on the arch bbs about doing exactly what you want. (...) Thanks for all tips.
I'm also concerned about the terminal itself. Unicode is important to me, and today I use 'mlterm' with 'Liberation' font. Can I get the same with a framebuffer terminal?
If by same you mean getting unicode on a virtual console, then yes its possible. I think the lat2-16.psfu.gz font (which you can set in your rc.conf) is unicode.
Choosed lat2 and it's a nice font. How do I type unicode in a Linux terminal (i.e., using the number code for a character that is not available with my keyboard map)? This is something I looked everywhere and found no answer. Thanks, Maurício
I don't know about inserting unicode characters, but I tested the lat2 font for handling unicode a few days ago. It seems accents and certain cyrillic characters work ok, but japanese, korean etc do not work. I guess it just provides a unicode mapping, but not all unicode characters. I haven't tested all the consolefonts available in arch though. Gerald Otter On 11:49 Mon 06 Apr , Maurício wrote:
> Do you think it's possible to live without X, replacing framebuffer > for it, using packages available for arch? (...) > You can use fbgs from fbida package to see pdf's, and a browser > like w3m-graphics or links-g. And yes, it is possible. mplayer also has a fb output plugin I'm not quite sure where it is, but if you have the time to search, there is a thread on the arch bbs about doing exactly what you want. (...) Thanks for all tips.
I'm also concerned about the terminal itself. Unicode is important to me, and today I use 'mlterm' with 'Liberation' font. Can I get the same with a framebuffer terminal?
If by same you mean getting unicode on a virtual console, then yes its possible. I think the lat2-16.psfu.gz font (which you can set in your rc.conf) is unicode.
Choosed lat2 and it's a nice font.
How do I type unicode in a Linux terminal (i.e., using the number code for a character that is not available with my keyboard map)? This is something I looked everywhere and found no answer.
Thanks, Maurício
Just curious why would you want to not use x on a daily basis? On Mar 30, 2009, at 12:29 AM, Juan Diego <juantascon@gmail.com> wrote:
mplayer also has a fb output plugin
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:34 PM, BinkyTheClown <binky@archlinux.us> wrote:
2009/3/29 Maurí cio <briqueabraque@yahoo.com>
Hi,
Do you think it's possible to live without X, replacing framebuffer for it, using packages available for arch? I imagine something like DirectFB or similar, using it when text is not enough. I think I could do with a browser and a pdf viewer, but I wasn't able to find a direction to follow to get that. Has any of you tried it already? 3 Thanks, Maurício
You can use fbgs from fbida package to see pdf's, and a browser like w3m-graphics or links-g.
And yes, it is possible.
Do you think it's possible to live without X, replacing framebuffer for it, using packages available for arch?
Just curious why would you want to not use x on a daily basis?
No serious reason. There are many nice X applications. Most things I like to do in a computer, however, require only 'ed' and a few tools and compilers.
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:29:46 +0900 Juan Diego <juantascon@gmail.com> wrote:
mplayer also has a fb output plugin
mplayer does good job with "-vo aa" or "-vo caca", personally I prefer "aa" ;)
Le Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:03:37 -0600, Sergey Manucharian <sergeym@rmico.com> a écrit :
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:29:46 +0900 Juan Diego <juantascon@gmail.com> wrote:
mplayer also has a fb output plugin
mplayer does good job with "-vo aa" or "-vo caca", personally I prefer "aa" ;)
mplayer -vo vesa/fbdev/svga/sdl may do the trick as well... -- radio ianux - http://ianux.fr/
Hi, Saving memory may be relative... you can also think that you aren't use 100% of your PC if you have 2GB memory and uses only 300k :) []'s 2009/3/30 ianux <ianux@free.fr>
Le Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:03:37 -0600, Sergey Manucharian <sergeym@rmico.com> a écrit :
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:29:46 +0900 Juan Diego <juantascon@gmail.com> wrote:
mplayer also has a fb output plugin
mplayer does good job with "-vo aa" or "-vo caca", personally I prefer "aa" ;)
mplayer -vo vesa/fbdev/svga/sdl may do the trick as well...
-- radio ianux - http://ianux.fr/
-- Felipe de Oliveira Tanus E-mail: fotanus@gmail.com Blog: http://fotanus.blogspot.com/ Site: http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~fotanus/ ----- Aperture Science: We do what we must because we can For the good of all of us except for the ones who are dead
saving the polar bears is another aspect :)) Less energy usage, less polution ... Tom Felipe Tanus wrote:
Hi,
Saving memory may be relative... you can also think that you aren't use 100% of your PC if you have 2GB memory and uses only 300k :)
[]'s
2009/3/30 ianux <ianux@free.fr>
Le Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:03:37 -0600, Sergey Manucharian <sergeym@rmico.com> a écrit :
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:29:46 +0900 Juan Diego <juantascon@gmail.com> wrote:
mplayer also has a fb output plugin
mplayer does good job with "-vo aa" or "-vo caca", personally I prefer "aa" ;)
mplayer -vo vesa/fbdev/svga/sdl may do the trick as well...
-- radio ianux - http://ianux.fr/
I only use the X when I draw or watch a video, rather well, as saving memory. There is a very interesting package that can watch videos without FB, only in text mode, it is called aaxine and cacaxine. Also use the mplayer with the FB, but i dont like. =D Many graphics make me confused =D Best regards, Lucas Saliés Brum P.S.: Você é do Brasil? 2009/3/29 Maurício <briqueabraque@yahoo.com>
Hi,
Do you think it's possible to live without X, replacing framebuffer for it, using packages available for arch? I imagine something like DirectFB or similar, using it when text is not enough. I think I could do with a browser and a pdf viewer, but I wasn't able to find a direction to follow to get that. Has any of you tried it already?
Thanks, Maurício
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:47:50 -0400 Lucas Salies Brum <sistematico@gmail.com> wrote:
I only use the X when I draw or watch a video, rather well, as saving memory.
There is a very interesting package that can watch videos without FB, only in text mode, it is called aaxine and cacaxine. Also use the mplayer with the FB, but i dont like. =D
Many graphics make me confused =D
Best regards, Lucas Saliés Brum
P.S.: Você é do Brasil?
2009/3/29 Maurício <briqueabraque@yahoo.com>
Hi,
Do you think it's possible to live without X, replacing framebuffer for it, using packages available for arch? I imagine something like DirectFB or similar, using it when text is not enough. I think I could do with a browser and a pdf viewer, but I wasn't able to find a direction to follow to get that. Has any of you tried it already?
Thanks, Maurício
I also saw an app once that was called FBI, I think it was also used to view videos without X. --Philipp
Also use the mplayer with the FB, but i dont like. =D
Many graphics make me confused =D
Best regards, Lucas Saliés Brum
P.S.: Você é do Brasil?
Sim. Brasileiro, nascido e criado. Se quiser perguntar alguma coisa fique à vontade: briqueabraque@yahoo.com
The guy who writes this blog has had a few posts on living without X recently, not sure which distro that was with.
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Ronnie Collinson <notthinking@gmail.com>wrote:
The guy who writes this blog has had a few posts on living without X recently, not sure which distro that was with.
Helps if I include the link doesnt it, here it is<http://kmandla.wordpress.com/>
The guy who writes this blog has had a few posts on living without X recently, not sure which distro that was with.
Helps if I include the link doesnt it, here it is<http://kmandla.wordpress.com/>
Nice recomended applications. I think the main problem, however, is that I still depend on X to get a nice terminal. I can't find a way to type unicode, or a console font that covers a good amount of unicode. Thanks, Maurício
A good font for unicode is terminal. Ive tried no x on an old box few years ago. Directfb was interesting, but not really useful by then. Their homepage contains many interesting projects, like a graphical and eye-candy login manager. I rather used the basic fbdev. Sdl can output to it, thats really handy. Gpmouse, if i remember well, can provide mouse support in vconsoles. Using some drivers, links can be a good basic browser - no net banking though. Mplayer for video. Moc, mpd or another curses mp3 player for audio. By the time i had to play around to have lines character working in a unicode console with ncurses. There are console tools to convert office docs to pdf, via postscript i guess, but recent format might not be supported. I had almost everything needed for basic use, and that was running pretty fast on this old comp. Besides, showing a video played through aalib always impress people (supported by sdl too i think). Im sorry there are lot of uncertitudes and no links, but im using a cell phone from thailand - really cheap compared to belgium costs. Good luck, good fun, charly 2009/4/10, Maurício <briqueabraque@yahoo.com>:
The guy who writes this blog has had a few posts on living without X recently, not sure which distro that was with.
Helps if I include the link doesnt it, here it is<http://kmandla.wordpress.com/>
Nice recomended applications.
I think the main problem, however, is that I still depend on X to get a nice terminal. I can't find a way to type unicode, or a console font that covers a good amount of unicode.
Thanks, Maurício
-- Envoyé avec mon mobile
Do you know where can I find documentation on fbdev? Framebuffer howton is really old (2000), and web site has no doc links. Thanks, Maurício
A good font for unicode is terminal. Ive tried no x on an old box few years ago. Directfb was interesting, but not really useful by then. Their homepage contains many interesting projects, like a graphical and eye-candy login manager.
I rather used the basic fbdev. Sdl can output to it, thats really handy. Gpmouse, if i remember well, can provide mouse support in vconsoles. Using some drivers, links can be a good basic browser - no net banking though. Mplayer for video. Moc, mpd or another curses mp3 player for audio. By the time i had to play around to have lines character working in a unicode console with ncurses. There are console tools to convert office docs to pdf, via postscript i guess, but recent format might not be supported. I had almost everything needed for basic use, and that was running pretty fast on this old comp. Besides, showing a video played through aalib always impress people (supported by sdl too i think).
Im sorry there are lot of uncertitudes and no links, but im using a cell phone from thailand - really cheap compared to belgium costs.
Good luck, good fun,
charly
2009/4/10, Maurício <briqueabraque@yahoo.com>:
The guy who writes this blog has had a few posts on living without X recently, not sure which distro that was with.
Helps if I include the link doesnt it, here it is<http://kmandla.wordpress.com/>
Nice recomended applications.
I think the main problem, however, is that I still depend on X to get a nice terminal. I can't find a way to type unicode, or a console font that covers a good amount of unicode.
Thanks, Maurício
Not really, maybe you can look at the kernel's fbcon driver. fbdev seems pretty dead, maybe you can look at directfb, wich seemed to be active until 2008. Good luck, Charly On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Maurício <briqueabraque@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do you know where can I find documentation on fbdev? Framebuffer howton is really old (2000), and web site has no doc links.
Thanks, Maurício
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