[arch-general] SLiM DM
Dear all, I hope this is the right place to ask this. If not, please direct me to the correct place. I noticed that the SLiM display manager is in the repositories [0] while the wiki states that it has been deprecated [1]. Also, the project site is no longer available. Now, I understand that there are some reasons to keep deprecated software in the repositories, like with truecrypt. However, in the case of SLiM, there are compatibility issues with systemd on top of the fact that it has been deprecated. So, would it be possible to remove this software from the repositories, or could someone give some reasons why it is still in the repositories? With kind regards, runical [0] https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/slim/ [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM
On 06/12/2016 01:56 PM, runical@gmx.com wrote:
could someone give some reasons why it is still in the repositories?
With kind regards, runical
The short answer would be that it was the lightweight DM recommended to Archer's for years before development stopped. A tempered migration from the repositories is a good idea to prevent whip-sawing all arch users who following the recommendation in configuring their desktop from finding out their config is broken on the first reboot after update following removal. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 06/13/2016 12:59 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
[...] prevent whip-sawing all arch users who following the recommendation in configuring their desktop from finding out their config is broken on the first reboot after update following removal.
That's highly overdramatized, isn't it? Lets keep the facts straight without jumping onto the choo choo bashing train and have an easy ride: Yes there may be some users that, under certain circumstances, notice problems... but its far not as "broken" as you try to state with that statement. If you referrer to the session change update breakage thingie from 2013 then sorry, but that's 3 years ago. In fact I'm still using slim and never had any problems (same applies for several friends i know). Also maybe it does not handle systemd sessions, but so what? Lets nuke tmux then because systemd kills it on logout and they don't want to integrate systemd? I don't say there may be no problems, but bashing like that statement is simply not fair and also not very helpful.
On 13 June 2016 at 01:31, Levente Polyak <anthraxx@archlinux.org> wrote:
On 06/13/2016 12:59 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
[...] prevent whip-sawing all arch users who following the recommendation in configuring their desktop from finding out their config is broken on the first reboot after update following removal.
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I don't say there may be no problems, but bashing like that statement is simply not fair and also not very helpful.
I read his message as "we shouldn't remove it just like that because _that_ would break peoples system/config", and not as "SLiM is broken". -- Maarten
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 02:03:23 +0200, Maarten de Vries via arch-general wrote:
On 13 June 2016 at 01:31, Levente Polyak <anthraxx@archlinux.org> wrote:
On 06/13/2016 12:59 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
[...] prevent whip-sawing all arch users who following the recommendation in configuring their desktop from finding out their config is broken on the first reboot after update following removal.
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I don't say there may be no problems, but bashing like that statement is simply not fair and also not very helpful.
I read his message as "we shouldn't remove it just like that because _that_ would break peoples system/config", and not as "SLiM is broken".
It's an abandoned project. It's inconsequent to switch to systemd and to keep an abandoned project, that is not fully compatible with systemd, while there are several display managers available by the repositories. Even for a rolling release there might be reasons to keep some abandoned projects, but SLiM login manager IMO shouldn't belong to the official repositories. IMO it's neither highly overdramatized, nor bashing, it's housekeeping. The official repositories shouldn't suffer from compulsive hoarding. Does SLiM provide something very useful, that isn't provided by something else?
I used Slim for years only to find out it was abandoned when I tried to use it in a fresh install (and therefore checked the wiki). Moved to LightDM and have not noticed any major difference, but I don't do anything fancy with my login screens...
participants (6)
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Ben Oliver
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David C. Rankin
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Levente Polyak
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Maarten de Vries
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Ralf Mardorf
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