[arch-general] Gnome3 and Gnome2
So, now that Gnome 3 has been released, and after reading the announcement that it will 'by default' replace gnome2 in the near future, I'd like to ask if there are any plans on 'keeping' gnome2 around for use with arch linux. I ask this, because I've been using gnome3 from the unstable repository, and know, that a lot of people are not going to like the change, especially because so called 'fall-back-mode' is just a joke, and gnome-shell, at least to me is plain broken. I'm merely voicing my opinion here, no flames :-P But to have a choice would be great! Tom
On Sun, 2011-04-10 at 13:47 +0200, Tom wrote:
So, now that Gnome 3 has been released, and after reading the announcement that it will 'by default' replace gnome2 in the near future, I'd like to ask if there are any plans on 'keeping' gnome2 around for use with arch linux.
I ask this, because I've been using gnome3 from the unstable repository, and know, that a lot of people are not going to like the change, especially because so called 'fall-back-mode' is just a joke, and gnome-shell, at least to me is plain broken. I'm merely voicing my opinion here, no flames :-P
But to have a choice would be great!
Tom GNOME2 is dead! Long live GNOME3!
GNOME3 will replace GNOME2 when it hit's [extra] -- Jelle van der Waa
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Tom
So, now that Gnome 3 has been released, and after reading the announcement that it will 'by default' replace gnome2 in the near future, I'd like to ask if there are any plans on 'keeping' gnome2 around for use with arch linux.
I ask this, because I've been using gnome3 from the unstable repository, and know, that a lot of people are not going to like the change, especially because so called 'fall-back-mode' is just a joke, and gnome-shell, at least to me is plain broken. I'm merely voicing my opinion here, no flames :-P
But to have a choice would be great!
Tom
Hi Tom, AFAIK there are no plans to officially support gnome2. People have complained about this in the recent past, but these complaints are useless because arch keeps up with upstream, no matter if people like the change or not. These people should have already known that this is part of arch's philosophy. That said, you, or anyone else who wants gnome2 can step up and maintain a custom gnome2 repository for everyone. Sincerely, Tom2 :)
Gnome 3 is, frankly, not ready yet. It's a bit like the original KDE4 situation - it has promise, but also serious rough edges (20% CPU usage when moving the mouse, complete no-go with binary nvidia drivers, ...), and is lacking basic features gnome 2 had. (sensors applet, startup application management, multi-monitor, custom keybindings, ...). I think removing Gnome2 from arch's repositories would be a mistake. Even gentoo is maintaining gnome2 support until "At least Gnome 3.2". If myself and others volunteered to help maintain a [gnome2] repo, would it be considered for official mirrorage? - Neph On 04/10/2011 06:47 AM, Tom wrote:
So, now that Gnome 3 has been released, and after reading the announcement that it will 'by default' replace gnome2 in the near future, I'd like to ask if there are any plans on 'keeping' gnome2 around for use with arch linux.
I ask this, because I've been using gnome3 from the unstable repository, and know, that a lot of people are not going to like the change, especially because so called 'fall-back-mode' is just a joke, and gnome-shell, at least to me is plain broken. I'm merely voicing my opinion here, no flames :-P
But to have a choice would be great!
Tom
2011/4/10 Nephyrin Zey
Gnome 3 is, frankly, not ready yet. It's a bit like the original KDE4 situation - it has promise, but also serious rough edges (20% CPU usage when moving the mouse, complete no-go with binary nvidia drivers, ...), and is lacking basic features gnome 2 had. (sensors applet, startup application management, multi-monitor, custom keybindings, ...).
I don't see those problems here. Gnome 3 is stable and does not consume all that CPU here. Just a little more then kde. When I need high performance I use openbox anyway. The "problem" I see with this first release is the lack of features and customization, but that will come with time I guess.
On 04/10/2011 09:02 PM, Nephyrin Zey wrote:
I think removing Gnome2 from arch's repositories would be a mistake. Even gentoo is maintaining gnome2 support until "At least Gnome 3.2". If myself and others volunteered to help maintain a [gnome2] repo, would it be considered for official mirrorage?
- Neph
Answer: It breaks the flow of the conversation Question: Why is topping posting bad? To answer your question, no. You'd have to find your own mirrors to host a gnome2 repo and it would be considered unofficial.
On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Nephyrin Zey
Gnome 3 is, frankly, not ready yet. It's a bit like the original KDE4 situation - it has promise, but also serious rough edges (20% CPU usage when moving the mouse, complete no-go with binary nvidia drivers, ...),
I'm using the binary nvidia drivers and don't have any speed problems. Does compiz work at a reasonable speed for you? If it doesn't, you might need to fix your Xorg.conf file. If you're concerned about GNOME 3's hardware requirements, you could always try a slimmer DE, like XFCE. It's my understanding that GNOME is designed to be simple and easy to use, not lightweight.
and is lacking basic features gnome 2 had. (sensors applet, startup application management, multi-monitor, custom keybindings, ...).
GNOME is all about lacking features. Maybe you should try XFCE or KDE if you want applets. Although you can still control startup applications (I think the program is called gnome-session-properties), it's just not in the new settings menu for some reason. I do multi-monitor through nvidia's settings so I haven't checked, but isn't the "screen" section in system settings about the same as in GNOME 2? Custom keybindings should be the same way (new settings menu -> keyboard?). I'll look when I get home. My custom ctrl+shift+esc keybinding still works, so this might just be a case of a setting moving.
participants (7)
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Bernardo Barros
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Brendan Long
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Jelle van der Waa
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Matthew Gyurgyik
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Nephyrin Zey
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Thomas Dziedzic
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Tom