On Jul 26, 2017 16:08, "Eli Schwartz" wrote: On 07/26/2017 06:28 PM, mpan wrote:

I’m asking for an advice on how to proceed. I am *not* discussing the reasons or trying to rant.

The situation is: — On July 25th at 3:10 UTC I have been banned on #archlinux-offtopic with the reason „fuck you” and a warning „next time you trash talk on the ops, I set it to a week”. I was sleeping at the time, so I have discovered that just before 16 UTC. — Since I was given no info on the ban duration and the reason seemed strange, I’ve wanted to contact the op responsible for the ban. He was absent, so I was advised to use phrik’s !later to send a message. This is what I have done, asking for the reason and the relevant logs with the context. — The op has appeared. After waiting for a hour I’ve received no response, so I have PM’d him with the same question. — After another hour of waiting there was still no answer, but seeing the op on #archlinux I’ve asked him about the issue. I was informed that if I am going to ask about that, the ban will be prolonged and then I was threatened with a “final warning”.

It’s July 27th ~22:30 UTC and I am neither unbanned, have no information on ban duration or the actual reason and being prohibited from querying that via IRC. What should I do next?

Step 1: Learn to use PGP/MIME in preference to inline PGP. Step 2: Stop misrepresenting the public words spoken by both you and "the op" in the channels in question. Step 3: Recognize that the ops were chosen because they are trusted to make the final judgment calls, the rest of the Arch Linux community doesn't know, doesn't care. The appeals process is stated here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Code_of_conduct#Enforcement https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Code_of_conduct#Contacting_the_staff And does not include picking a fight in public. ... P.S. I am considering this "trying to rant", and "picking a fight in public", due to the fact that you are in fact discussing the reasons (which apparently include "you're an annoying nudnik who is bothering me with questions I feel were already answered") rather than asking "what is the appeals process if I feel an IRC op is being unfair to me". No need to discuss the in-depth details of your case, or complain about how your self-indicated reasonable response is being ignored out of hand. Contrary to popular belief, prefacing a rant with "I am not trying to rant", does not make it suddenly cease to be a rant. What is going on here? I have no knowledge of what led to this. But seems to me this email is just a description of events that have unfolded. I don't see how is this a "rant". Is anything he said untrue or twisted? -- Eli Schwartz

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 12:28 AM, mpan wrote:

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I’m asking for an advice on how to proceed. I am *not* discussing the reasons or trying to rant.

The situation is: — On July 25th at 3:10 UTC I have been banned on #archlinux-offtopic with the reason „fuck you” and a warning „next time you trash talk on the ops, I set it to a week”. I was sleeping at the time, so I have discovered that just before 16 UTC.

There are hardly any real reasons you need for this. This may descend on you completely randomly, unpredictably and with the fact in mind that it's the ops that have the banhammer in their hands. It's not worth negociating IRC here, though, that's why both my quoting and authoring of email content ends here which might come as a surprise. As somebody who has been banned on IRC in the past, I'll have to tell you one thing though: please stop negociating it over another channel, because it will be used against you on irc. Basically, please send me a selection of irc channels you frequent off-list on how we can maintain (in this case revive) our friendship. If you can, let's get some of the more liberally inclined people on board so we can get our own channel off the ground, preferably on a different network. cheers! mar77i