I am very fond of my Asus VivoBook_K712EA The uEFI implementation is solid. The BIOS can be updated directly from the firmware setup menu without need for a specific OS It uses Intel Isis graphics and Intel WiFi and Intel HD Audio. Bluetooth, WiFi and Audio are flawless. Battery life is excellent. If I were forced to find anything negative, it would be the contrast on the keyboard legends. One of my many shortcomings in this life is that I never learned to touch type. Eric Waller On 7/22/23 15:10, Polarian wrote:

Hello,

Although this is a little off topic because this is hardware relating to Arch Linux and not Arch Linux itself, I am curious to see what others use.

ArchWiki has laptop pages, but that doesn't show what people prefer to use with Arch Linux.

So I have a few questions:

- What Laptop do you use currently for Arch Linux? - What do you use the Laptop for? - If you could buy any Laptop for Arch Linux right now, what would you buy?

I got a feeling there will be a range of responses, some standing behind old Lenovo Thinkpads, and some vouching for modern laptops.

One final question, is there any Laptop company you feel will be a good asset to the Linux community as a whole? Or better, Arch Linux directly :P

If you respond, thank you for your time :)

Have a good night,

One word: ThinkPad. Newer ThinkPads work well too, but the older Core 2 Duo ones are especially great, because they all support Libreboot (so no proprietary blobs necessary), every feature just works, easy to repair, almost impossible to break, and the best keyboard a laptop can possibly have. Especially ThinkPad X200 and T400 are highly popular to both Linux and OpenBSD users, but X220, T420, R500, X200s, and W700 aren't uncommon either. However, these laptops are typically used for use with tiling window managers, you can technically run KDE Plasma or Gnome on them, but experience will be ass. ThinkPads aren't as popular among users of Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Manjaro, FreeBSD, Fedora, and other so-called "stable" distro's, but they are very popular among users of Arch/Artix, Gentoo, Void, CRUX, KISS, Venom, OpenBSD, 9front, and any other "minimalist" distro's and operating systems. So it's a meme if you see somebody in public using an old ThinkPad, they're either woke, or actually cool people (because you can't be both at the same time). I actually don't use any laptop for Arch, mine run OpenBSD and Gentoo. I use Artix on my desktop at home, I wish I could use upstream Arch, but not a fan of systemd. I use my laptop for everything when I'm not home. When I'm home, I compile ports, all my computers run over my WireGuard network, so I can just SSH into my desktop PC from wherever I want. For laptop companies, depends on what you really mean. If you mean companies that install Linux by default, there's System76, Purism, and Think Penguin, all are pretty expensive, and none can be found in electronics stores due to their niche nature. Another laptop company that doesn't install Linux by default, but is pretty friendly to it, is Framework Laptop. Among the more mainstream laptop brands, Lenovo is (or rather was) the most friendly to Linux, only their more recent laptops aren't as Linux-friendly. Dell and HP generally work well with Linux as well, and older MacBook Pro's and Surface Pro 3 are surprisingly well supported by the Linux Kernel maintainers. But I should add that as long as the laptop doesn't use an Nvidia card, and an older WiFi card than the most shiny, you shouldn't experience too much problems with any laptop. Another major deal breaker is audio, lots of audio drivers are poorly supported, but this has been getting much better in recent years. Nvidia is the single worst company Linus Torvals has ever dealt with, so much so, he even pointed a middle finger at them at one point in time. On 2023年07月22日 23:10, Polarian wrote:

Hello,

Although this is a little off topic because this is hardware relating to Arch Linux and not Arch Linux itself, I am curious to see what others use.

ArchWiki has laptop pages, but that doesn't show what people prefer to use with Arch Linux.

So I have a few questions:

- What Laptop do you use currently for Arch Linux? - What do you use the Laptop for? - If you could buy any Laptop for Arch Linux right now, what would you buy?

I got a feeling there will be a range of responses, some standing behind old Lenovo Thinkpads, and some vouching for modern laptops.

One final question, is there any Laptop company you feel will be a good asset to the Linux community as a whole? Or better, Arch Linux directly :P

If you respond, thank you for your time :)

Have a good night, -- Polarian GPG signature: 0770E5312238C760 Website: https://polarian.dev JID/XMPP: polarian@polarian.dev

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Although this is a little off topic because this is hardware relating to Arch Linux and not Arch Linux itself, I am curious to see what others use.

hi. i use the System76 Lemur Pro. i only run Arch on it. probably i would buy it again. https://system76.com/laptops/lemur (in the past i used an Entroware Apollo and i liked it a lot, but switched as they couldn't [then?] ship to the USA.) cheers, Greg

Maybe also take a look at framework, a manufacturer of modular laptops: https://frame.work/ You can choose which ports / features you want to have by picking different modules for your model, and you can always swap them out for different ones. In the 16" model, you can even swap and upgrade a dedicated GPU, as well as different keyboard and numpad with standard QMK firmware. Mainboards are also swappable, making this thing a very reparaible and sustainable device. The laptop firmware is open source, and Linux support is advertised and tested, our wiki also reports good compatibility: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Framework_Laptop_13 I like that thing a lot!

23 juillet 2023 00:10 "Polarian" a écrit:

Hello,

Although this is a little off topic because this is hardware relating to Arch Linux and not Arch Linux itself, I am curious to see what others use.

ArchWiki has laptop pages, but that doesn't show what people prefer to use with Arch Linux.

So I have a few questions:

- What Laptop do you use currently for Arch Linux? - What do you use the Laptop for? - If you could buy any Laptop for Arch Linux right now, what would you buy?

I got a feeling there will be a range of responses, some standing behind old Lenovo Thinkpads, and some vouching for modern laptops.

One final question, is there any Laptop company you feel will be a good asset to the Linux community as a whole? Or better, Arch Linux directly :P

If you respond, thank you for your time :)

Have a good night, -- Polarian GPG signature: 0770E5312238C760 Website: https://polarian.dev JID/XMPP: polarian@polarian.dev

For my job, I use a Lenovo T480s that does the job For my personnal use, I have an XMG Neo16 with i9 13th Gen + Nvidia 4070 that works perfectly under ArchLinux

I prefer a framework laptop.  Honestly it's one of the best laptops I've ever owned -- it's super light, got excellent battery life, the power management is actually pretty good, all the firmware for it is totally open-source, and it's built from the ground up to be repairable.  Over the years I've had a lot of laptops that were missing one port I really would have liked, and with a framework I can make sure that those ports are on it (the ports on it are modular, so you can replace and swap them out as needed). Performance-wise it's quite an excellent machine.  The 12th Gen Intel i5-1240P mine shipped with has 4 performance cores, with 4 threads each for a total of 16 hyper-threads.  This vastly accelerates my build times by allowing me to run them with 16 parallel jobs.  It can reduce a C++ project's 20-minute build time on a single thread to just 1 or 2 minutes. Outside of programming the main-board does not have any dedicated GPU.  If you wish to game on a framework Intel's integrated graphics will have to suffice.  Generally this is enough for light gaming.  I am able to play Stellaris without any issue whatsoever, but it does put a substantial load on the processor.  Anything other than light gaming may not be possible until Framework puts out their 16" model (which is expected to have a dedicated graphics card). On 7/22/23 6:10 PM, Polarian wrote:

Hello,

Although this is a little off topic because this is hardware relating to Arch Linux and not Arch Linux itself, I am curious to see what others use.

ArchWiki has laptop pages, but that doesn't show what people prefer to use with Arch Linux.

So I have a few questions:

- What Laptop do you use currently for Arch Linux? - What do you use the Laptop for? - If you could buy any Laptop for Arch Linux right now, what would you buy?

I got a feeling there will be a range of responses, some standing behind old Lenovo Thinkpads, and some vouching for modern laptops.

One final question, is there any Laptop company you feel will be a good asset to the Linux community as a whole? Or better, Arch Linux directly :P

If you respond, thank you for your time :)

Have a good night,

-- Jonathan Whitlock