I am boot the arch May 1 2014 iso off of a usb flash drive. On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Doug Newgard wrote:

On 2014-05-01 20:18, Mark Lee wrote:

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Salutations,

If you set up your efistub correctly, you will be able to boot Arch or Windows using the Uefi boot manager, same system as how you get the option to boot off a USB stick. UEFI removes the needs for boot managers.

Regards, Man k

-----Original Message----- From: "Alan E. Davis" Sent: ‎5/‎1/‎2014 9:09 PM To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on aWindows8 UEFI laptop

I have never seen an option to boot the Arch iso using eufi boot.

I may not have said that I want to dual boot. I do need to do so. If I boot directly back into Arch, will there be an option do dual boot? (Actually triple boot for the time being.)

Alan Davis

On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Lee wrote:

Salutations,

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Okay. Try starting ove again. Boot into the arch iso using uefi boot (preferably but not necessary). Then set up your partitions (root, home). For boot, mount the windows EFI system partition as /boot. Then install the system. You won't need to install grub or gummiboot since you can boot the efistub directly. I would create a folder in /boot named "arch". I would then copy the *.img from /boot to /boot/arch and rename the vmlinuz-Linux to vmlinuz-linux.efi. If you booted into uefi mode from the Arch iso, you should be able to run efibootmgr. Run efibootmgr to see what entries you have (you should at least have the windows entry). Then type something like this : efibootmgr -d -L "Arch Linux UEFI" -l /arch/vmlinux-Linux.efi -u "root=<location of root> initramfs=/arch/initramfs.img rw quiet" -w. You should be able to reboot if all went well and you will boot into Arch Linux.

Regards, Mark

-----Original Message----- From: "Alan E. Davis" Sent: ‎5/‎1/‎2014 8:07 PM To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows8 UEFI laptop

I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run the entry." I'm sorry.

I'm going to try again later. In fact, I may take the undesireable step of installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install Arch Linux these days.

On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.

Thank you very much. I am willing to give it one more try. I might even try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has done.

Thank you again,

Alan Davis

On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay wrote:

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I took a chance, and nothing happened. I installed gummiboot on /boot, where the kernel was. But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over.

In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a boot

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from there, and boot ubuntu. Not Arch. Yet.

Thank you for now.

Alan

You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff mounted) or the fallback entry (if you didn't).

Would you stop breaking the thread? This is the third time you've broken this thread alone.

Not to mention top posting, but I'm not sure if there's a policy on that here.

Thank you for the several comments. I don't see any smaller boot menu button. And this ultrabook has no CD drive. I was able to boot the Arch iso, and install right up to the Boot Manager step. If I could boot straight into that partition from a USB drive, that would be great. Several times I have stumbled into nooks and crannies, where, for example, that USB flash drive booted right up. This is on my agenda, in the near future. RIght now I'm reading up on these multiple issues. Alan On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Mark Lee wrote:

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On 05/02/2014 12:17 AM, Alan E. Davis wrote:

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I am boot the arch May 1 2014 iso off of a usb flash drive.

On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Doug Newgard wrote:

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On 2014-05-01 20:18, Mark Lee wrote:

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Salutations,

If you set up your efistub correctly, you will be able to boot Arch or Windows using the Uefi boot manager, same system as how you get the option to boot off a USB stick. UEFI removes the needs for boot managers.

Regards, Man k

-----Original Message----- From: "Alan E. Davis" Sent: ‎5/‎1/‎2014 9:09 PM To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on aWindows8 UEFI laptop

I have never seen an option to boot the Arch iso using eufi boot.

I may not have said that I want to dual boot. I do need to do so. If I boot directly back into Arch, will there be an option do dual boot? (Actually triple boot for the time being.)

Alan Davis

On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Lee wrote:

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Okay. Try starting ove again. Boot into the arch iso using uefi boot (preferably but not necessary). Then set up your partitions (root,

home).

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For boot, mount the windows EFI system partition as /boot. Then install the system. You won't need to install grub or gummiboot since you can boot the efistub directly. I would create a folder in /boot named "arch". I would then copy the *.img from /boot to /boot/arch and rename the vmlinuz-Linux to vmlinuz-linux.efi. If you booted into uefi mode from the Arch iso, you should be able to run efibootmgr. Run efibootmgr to see what entries you have (you should at least have the windows entry). Then type something like this : efibootmgr -d -L "Arch Linux UEFI" -l /arch/vmlinux-Linux.efi -u "root=<location of root> initramfs=/arch/initramfs.img rw quiet" -w. You should be able to reboot if all went well and you will boot into Arch Linux.

Regards, Mark

-----Original Message----- From: "Alan E. Davis" Sent: ‎5/‎1/‎2014 8:07 PM To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux"

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Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on a Windows8 UEFI laptop

I don't understand what is the entry, or fallback entry, or "run the entry." I'm sorry.

I'm going to try again later. In fact, I may take the undesireable step of installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install Arch Linux these days.

On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux.

Thank you very much. I am willing to give it one more try. I might even try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has done.

Thank you again,

Alan Davis

On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay wrote:

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On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: > I took a chance, and nothing happened. I installed gummiboot on /boot, > where the kernel was. But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over. > > In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a boot menu > from there, and boot ubuntu. Not Arch. Yet. > > Thank you for now. > > Alan

You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff mounted) or the fallback entry (if you didn't).

Would you stop breaking the thread? This is the third time you've broken this thread alone.

Not to mention top posting, but I'm not sure if there's a policy on that here.

Salutations,

The last time I checked, I had issues with booting UEFI Arch Linux iso off a usb stick. Try a cd if you can.

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I am way past confused about these issues. I have installed Archlinux on a partition, with a home partition. I just cannot boot into it. I was able to boot into the USB flash drive. I never saw any messages about UEFI or legacy. I had already installed Ubuntu 2014.04, botched the partitioning, but it is possible to boot into it by way of a kludge that my 12 year old son discovered when he installed Ubuntu on his Lenovo Idea Pad: by backing out, each windows boot, into a boot menu that has the Ubuntu setup listed. The ubuntu setup was installed as if by magical accident. It just installed. I hed checked if it is a UEFI system by running a command in Windows: it is. After installing Ubuintu, I disabled secure boot. I have more interesting things to do than spend a week to try to understand this convoluted maze of acronyms and permutations of features. It took me years to get used to GRUB2 having a complicated web of editable (thought almost unreadable, to me) files and scripts. This goes waaaay betong that. I appreciate the efforts of the people here on the Arch Linux mailing list to help. I will certainly ask more questions when I get the nerve to try again (or grow tired of Ubuntu again). I need a complicated series of capabilities, so perhaps the fact that they mostly work ok under Ubuntu is a blessing, and the Arch experiment will come later. Alan Davis On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Mark Lee wrote:

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Thank you for the several comments.

I don't see any smaller boot menu button. And this ultrabook has no CD drive. I was able to boot the Arch iso, and install right up to the Boot Manager step. If I could boot straight into that partition from a USB drive, that would be great.

Several times I have stumbled into nooks and crannies, where, for example, that USB flash drive booted right up.

This is on my agenda, in the near future. RIght now I'm reading up on these multiple issues.

Alan

On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Mark Lee wrote:

On 05/02/2014 12:17 AM, Alan E. Davis wrote:

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I am boot the arch May 1 2014 iso off of a usb flash drive.

On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Doug Newgard wrote:

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On 2014-05-01 20:18, Mark Lee wrote:

> Salutations, > > If you set up your efistub correctly, you will be able to boot Arch or > Windows using the Uefi boot manager, same system as how you get the > option to boot off a USB stick. UEFI removes the needs for boot > managers. > > Regards, > Man k > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Alan E. Davis" > Sent: ‎5/‎1/‎2014 9:09 PM > To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" < arch-general@archlinux.org> > Subject: Re: [arch-general] Installing Archlinux alongside Ubuntu on > aWindows8 UEFI laptop > > I have never seen an option to boot the Arch iso using eufi boot. > > I may not have said that I want to dual boot. I do need to do so. If I > boot directly back into Arch, will there be an option do dual boot? > (Actually triple boot for the time being.) > > Alan Davis > > > On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Mark Lee wrote: > > Salutations, >> >> Okay. Try starting ove again. Boot into the arch iso using uefi boot >> (preferably but not necessary). Then set up your partitions (root, home). >> For boot, mount the windows EFI system partition as /boot. Then install >> the >> system. You won't need to install grub or gummiboot since you can boot >> the >> efistub directly. I would create a folder in /boot named "arch". I would >> then copy the *.img from /boot to /boot/arch and rename the vmlinuz-Linux >> to vmlinuz-linux.efi. If you booted into uefi mode from the Arch iso, you >> should be able to run efibootmgr. Run efibootmgr to see what entries you >> have (you should at least have the windows entry). Then type something >> like >> this : efibootmgr -d > (probably 1> -L "Arch Linux UEFI" -l /arch/vmlinux-Linux.efi -u >> "root=<location of root> initramfs=/arch/initramfs.img rw quiet" -w. You >> should be able to reboot if all went well and you will boot into Arch >> Linux. >> >> Regards, >> Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Alan E. Davis" >> Sent: ‎5/‎1/‎2014 8:07 PM >> To: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" < arch-general@archlinux.org

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>> entry." I'm sorry. >> >> I'm going to try again later. In fact, I may take the undesireable step >> of >> installing from Manjaro or whatever is the shortcut way to install Arch >> Linux these days. >> >> On the one hand, I don't care to learn about what's Micro$oft's latest >> tortuous trick it has played on the users; and on the other hand, I do >> value to learn the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux. >> >> Thank you very much. I am willing to give it one more try. I might even >> try to install grub in a partition, as apparently is what Ubuntu has >> done. >> >> Thank you again, >> >> Alan Davis >> >> >> On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Daniel Micay < danielmicay@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 01/05/14 07:40 PM, Alan E. Davis wrote: >>>> I took a chance, and nothing happened. I installed gummiboot on >> /boot, >>>> where the kernel was. But I didn't move the ubuntu kernel over. >>>> >>>> In the end, Windows still booted, and I was able to get back to a >> boot >>> menu >>>> from there, and boot ubuntu. Not Arch. Yet. >>>> >>>> Thank you for now. >>>> >>>> Alan >>> >>> You need to explicitly run the entry (if you had the EFI stuff mounted) >>> or the fallback entry (if you didn't). >>> >>> >> >> Would you stop breaking the thread? This is the third time you've broken this thread alone.

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Salutations,

The last time I checked, I had issues with booting UEFI Arch Linux iso off a usb stick. Try a cd if you can.

Regards, Mark

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Salutations,

If you can install grub on a usb stick point and write an entry for Arch Linux in grub that'd work.

Meanwhile, do you have an external usb cd/dvd drive? You could try using that if you do.

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This is an interesting suggestion: On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Delcypher wrote:

dy installed Ubuntu successfully you probably have a working boot manager from that install. So why not just use that to boot into Arch Linux? I think Ubuntu uses GRUB2 so you can have Ubuntu regenerate the menu entries and hopefully it would detect Arch Linux on its own. If not you'll have to look up how to add the menu entries manually.

I tried several times, without any change to the boot menu. The SDD device (perhaps a specific part) and also a "windows boot manager" are items in a menu when rebooting with Advanced Startup from Windows. The steps I used were: - Ran grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg - changed the permissions of that file to +w - re-ran grub-mkconfig Each time I ran this, it saw the Arch partition. And each time I booted, this was not found in the grub menu at boot time. It was shown as a grub 2.x ... I am reluctant to try to reinstall grub2 as I don't know how it was installed before. Maybe there is a clue in the partition table. Alan

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I have installed Archlinux on a partition, with a home partition. I just cannot boot into it. I was able to boot into the USB flash drive. I never saw any messages about UEFI or legacy. The USB image supports legacy and UEFI boot. I'm not 100% sure if

On 3 May 2014 05:53, Alan E. Davis wrote: this is a reliable method but when I boot up via legacy the /sys/firmware/efi folder does not exist but when I boot via UEFI the folder does exist. There is probably a way on your machine to disable legacy boot and also select to boot from USB when legacy boot is disabled.

When I installed Arch alongside Windows 8, I had the same problem that it didn't offer me a UEFI boot option. I think I had to disable CSM (Compatibility Support Module) in my BIOS settings. After that, it worked perfectly. It will probably not be the same for you, since I have an Asus BIOS. But the option was about some "non-UEFI driver add-on devices". Hope that helps.

Can I safely treat this Manjaro as an Arch installation? I did this with Antergos a couple of years ao, and it worked out fine. Will I run into a roadblock down the road?

Antergos is Arch Linux, Manjaro isn't.

Excerpts from Alan E. Davis's message from Mon 05-May-14 22:03:

However, I have run into a wrinkle where nothing is working, so i need Windoze, much to my consternation.

Well, the easiest and quickest way would be installing Windows in VirtualBox, that's a think you may want to have anyway. Personally I have even three of them: Windows XP, Windows 7 32 bit, Windows 7 64 bit. Most of the time I have them in a saved state (not running). Cheers, Sergey

I would like to sign off with a little information about how this has gone. I had used the "F12" boot options method once. Subsequently, the Windows Boot Loader appeared on the GRUB menu. I have since then installed Fedora 20, and it went very well. I now see that if once specifies "UEFI" as the boot method in the BIOS, and not Legacy or Both, these linux distros look for the EFI partition (or whatever that is called), and if one specifies it to be mounted wihtout formating in the parititioning scheme, all goes well. Thank everyone for the help. Now the machine boots right into GRUB. Alan Davis

Following up on installing Archlinux Preface to the Appendix of this thread, with thanks and deference to those who have helped so far: I am definitely not up to speed on the nuts and bolts of GNU/Linux, I am a user, needing to get this tool working. That being said, I have Archlinux working now, but not truly dual bootable, in the usual sense. In particular, the BIOS settings are several, and their meaning unclear to me. I did change the secure boot setting, back to Off. This led to a cacade of other changes, so I am not even certan what to report. Most of the steps that were so kindly outlined and restated by my friends on this list didn't mean much to me, so I blundered through it all. Installed Archlinux, with the UEFI / EFI partition mounted on /mnt/boot/efi. Many other files were visible there. I didn't make sense of the instllation of gummiboot, because I was not using a separate /boot partition, I think, so the instllation of gummiboot failed. I used GRUB. Installed some ancillary files, mentioned as optional. I did some other things as well. When I rebooted, ARchlinux was not listed in the GRUB menu. I changed the BIOS settings, dealing with secure boot and UEFI vs BIOS (which I set to both, with EUFI prioritized). Rebooted. Now I only see Archlinux. What I hope is that thi will continue to work, as is. Later on, when I feel brave, I will go through the BIOS settings again, and see of the other systems, inlcuding Windows 8, come up. For now,. this is all I need. Thank you, Alan Davis p On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Mark Lee wrote:

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I would like to sign off with a little information about how this has gone.

I had used the "F12" boot options method once. Subsequently, the Windows Boot Loader appeared on the GRUB menu. I have since then installed Fedora 20, and it went very well.

I now see that if once specifies "UEFI" as the boot method in the BIOS, and not Legacy or Both, these linux distros look for the EFI partition (or whatever that is called), and if one specifies it to be mounted wihtout formating in the parititioning scheme, all goes well.

Thank everyone for the help. Now the machine boots right into GRUB.

Alan Davis To Alan,

That's excellent. But, the point of UEFI is not to use any boot managers like GRUB. A proper UEFI install should be able to boot directly off the firmware. On a very high level, UEFI internalizes boot loaders like GRUB so instead of chainloading with a boot loader, one boots directly into a UEFI program (windows, linux, mac os, etc...) I am glad to hear that your machine setup is working though.

Might I add, if you are truly booting into UEFI mode with Linux (could be Ubuntu or Arch), you could probably apply the procedures in the Arch Wiki to boot Arch Linux without a boot loader < https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EFISTUB#Directly.2C_without_boot_manage...

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