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Baho Utot

25 Jul 2009 25 Jul '09

5:03 p.m.

I need pacman 2.98 or 3.0 and the dependencies, either the PKGBUILDS or the binaries. I need this for an older system (distro) Is it still available? Thanks

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Thomas Bächler

25 Jul 25 Jul

5:13 p.m.

Baho Utot schrieb:

I need pacman 2.98 or 3.0 and the dependencies, either the PKGBUILDS or the binaries.

I need this for an older system (distro)

Is it still available?

ftp://ftp.archlinux.org/other/pacman/ PKGBUILDs are probably in our old CVS, but it seems the cvs-arch tree (which was where we had the "current" packages before we changed the repository layout) is not publicly available anymore.

Baho Utot

5:48 p.m.

On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 19:13 +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote:

Baho Utot schrieb:

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I need pacman 2.98 or 3.0 and the dependencies, either the PKGBUILDS or the binaries.

I need this for an older system (distro)

Is it still available?

ftp://ftp.archlinux.org/other/pacman/

PKGBUILDs are probably in our old CVS, but it seems the cvs-arch tree (which was where we had the "current" packages before we changed the repository layout) is not publicly available anymore.

That didn't work as I would need libtar which is missing :(

Roman Kyrylych

6:14 p.m.

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 20:48, Baho Utot wrote:

On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 19:13 +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote:

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Baho Utot schrieb:

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I need pacman 2.98 or 3.0 and the dependencies, either the PKGBUILDS or the binaries.

I need this for an older system (distro)

Is it still available?

ftp://ftp.archlinux.org/other/pacman/

PKGBUILDs are probably in our old CVS, but it seems the cvs-arch tree (which was where we had the "current" packages before we changed the repository layout) is not publicly available anymore.

That didn't work as I would need libtar which is missing :(

There's a small chance that you find it in one of the mirrors listed here: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Downgrade_packages Otherwise you may try just build it yourself on that old system. -- Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич)

Baho Utot

26 Jul 26 Jul

12:07 a.m.

On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 21:14 +0300, Roman Kyrylych wrote:

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 20:48, Baho Utot wrote:

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On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 19:13 +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote:

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Baho Utot schrieb:

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I need pacman 2.98 or 3.0 and the dependencies, either the PKGBUILDS or the binaries.

I need this for an older system (distro)

Is it still available?

ftp://ftp.archlinux.org/other/pacman/

PKGBUILDs are probably in our old CVS, but it seems the cvs-arch tree (which was where we had the "current" packages before we changed the repository layout) is not publicly available anymore.

That didn't work as I would need libtar which is missing :(

There's a small chance that you find it in one of the mirrors listed here: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Downgrade_packages

Otherwise you may try just build it yourself on that old system.

The PKGBUILDS are missing, if I could get them for pacman,libtar I could make them on the old system.

Daenyth Blank

25 Jul 25 Jul

6:48 p.m.

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 13:03, Baho Utot wrote:

I need pacman 2.98 or 3.0 and the dependencies, either the PKGBUILDS or the binaries.

I need this for an older system (distro)

Is it still available?

Thanks

Out of curiosity, why do you need the old copies?

Daniel J Griffiths

8:47 p.m.

Daenyth Blank wrote:

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 13:03, Baho Utot wrote:

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I need pacman 2.98 or 3.0 and the dependencies, either the PKGBUILDS or the binaries.

I need this for an older system (distro)

Is it still available?

Thanks

Out of curiosity, why do you need the old copies?

One of our users is running a server called the Arch Rollback Machine. Do a search for it on the forums. You may well be able to get what you're looking for through his server. -- Daniel J Griffiths (Ghost1227) griffithsdj@archlinux.us http://ghost1227.com

Baho Utot

26 Jul 26 Jul

12:10 a.m.

On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 14:48 -0400, Daenyth Blank wrote:

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 13:03, Baho Utot wrote:

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I need pacman 2.98 or 3.0 and the dependencies, either the PKGBUILDS or the binaries.

I need this for an older system (distro)

Is it still available?

Thanks

Out of curiosity, why do you need the old copies?

The current version just have too many dependencies to be able to use them. The older one only needs libtar,fakeroot and libdownload. THe new one requires somewhere around 10.

Thomas Bächler

1:03 a.m.

Baho Utot schrieb:

The current version just have too many dependencies to be able to use them. The older one only needs libtar,fakeroot and libdownload. THe new one requires somewhere around 10.

But those pacman versions suck, seriously, they have so many annoying bugs that have been fixed in 3.1 and 3.2. Especially the 2.X series is not very convenient to use.

Aaron Griffin

1:22 a.m.

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Baho Utot wrote:

On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 14:48 -0400, Daenyth Blank wrote:

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On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 13:03, Baho Utot wrote:

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I need pacman 2.98 or 3.0 and the dependencies, either the PKGBUILDS or the binaries.

I need this for an older system (distro)

Is it still available?

Thanks

Out of curiosity, why do you need the old copies?

The current version just have too many dependencies to be able to use them. The older one only needs libtar,fakeroot and libdownload. THe new one requires somewhere around 10.

pacman itself only requires libarchive and libdownload/libfetch... makepkg and friends bring in the other deps. Also note that the old pacman did not use libdownload - that was added in 3.0 I believe Still... the old versions are just bad compared to the current pacman

Aaron Griffin

1:23 a.m.

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote:

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Baho Utot wrote:

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On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 14:48 -0400, Daenyth Blank wrote:

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On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 13:03, Baho Utot wrote:

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I need pacman 2.98 or 3.0 and the dependencies, either the PKGBUILDS or the binaries.

I need this for an older system (distro)

Is it still available?

Thanks

Out of curiosity, why do you need the old copies?

The current version just have too many dependencies to be able to use them. The older one only needs libtar,fakeroot and libdownload. THe new one requires somewhere around 10.

pacman itself only requires libarchive and libdownload/libfetch... makepkg and friends bring in the other deps.

Also note that the old pacman did not use libdownload - that was added in 3.0 I believe

Still... the old versions are just bad compared to the current pacman

https://dev.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/pacman/ Deps are libarchive, libdownload, bash, and the mirrorlist package... what are you having a problem with?

Baho Utot

10:35 a.m.

On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 18:23 -0700, Aaron Griffin wrote:

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Baho Utot wrote:

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On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 14:48 -0400, Daenyth Blank wrote:

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On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 13:03, Baho Utot wrote:

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I need pacman 2.98 or 3.0 and the dependencies, either the PKGBUILDS or the binaries.

I need this for an older system (distro)

Is it still available?

Thanks

Out of curiosity, why do you need the old copies?

The current version just have too many dependencies to be able to use them. The older one only needs libtar,fakeroot and libdownload. THe new one requires somewhere around 10.

pacman itself only requires libarchive and libdownload/libfetch... makepkg and friends bring in the other deps.

Also note that the old pacman did not use libdownload - that was added in 3.0 I believe

Still... the old versions are just bad compared to the current pacman

https://dev.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/pacman/

Deps are libarchive, libdownload, bash, and the mirrorlist package... what are you having a problem with?

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Pierre Chapuis

11:20 a.m.

Le Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:35:04 -0400, Baho Utot a écrit :

On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 18:23 -0700, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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https://dev.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/pacman/

Deps are libarchive, libdownload, bash, and the mirrorlist package... what are you having a problem with?

Secure Connection Failed

dev.archlinux.org uses an invalid security certificate.

Then: Developer Login Username: Password:

I think it's the same thing as http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/pacman/, and I don't see why you say there are 10 deps either. -- catwell

Baho Utot

11:35 a.m.

On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 13:20 +0200, Pierre Chapuis wrote:

Le Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:35:04 -0400, Baho Utot a écrit :

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On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 18:23 -0700, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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https://dev.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/pacman/

Deps are libarchive, libdownload, bash, and the mirrorlist package... what are you having a problem with?

...
Secure Connection Failed

dev.archlinux.org uses an invalid security certificate.

...
Then: Developer Login Username: Password:

I think it's the same thing as http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/pacman/, and I don't see why you say there are 10 deps either.

If you look at what is required in pacman you get Pacman: depends=('bash' 'libarchive>=2.6.0' 'libdownload>=1.3' 'pacman-mirrorlist') optdepends=('fakeroot: for makepkg usage as normal user' 'python: for rankmirrors script usage') libarchive: depends=('zlib' 'bzip2' 'xz-utils' 'acl' 'openssl') libdownload: depends=('glibc') Ok: now second round dependencies..... 'openssl': depends=('zlib' 'perl') 'acl': depends=('attr>=2.4.41') 'xz-utils' : depends=('bash') 'bzip2': depends=('glibc') 'zlib': depends=('glibc') Third round dependencies perl: depends=('gdbm' 'db>=4.7' 'coreutils' 'glibc' 'sh') attr: depends=('glibc') Fourth round dependencies: gdbm: db: coreutils: I think I'll stop now, I lost count This pacmna build is for a non Arch system from 4 years back.

Allan McRae

11:41 a.m.

Baho Utot wrote:

I think I'll stop now, I lost count

pactree -u pacman | sort acl attr bash bzip2 coreutils cracklib db gcc-libs gdbm glibc gmp kernel-headers

full list: libarchive libdownload ncurses openssl pacman pacman-mirrorlist pam perl readline shadow tzdata xz-utils zlib But really it is just libarchive and libdownload. The coreutils package covers most of the rest and if your system does not have coreutils you are in trouble... Allan

Thomas Bächler

4:05 p.m.

Baho Utot schrieb:

If you look at what is required in pacman you get

Pacman: depends=('bash' 'libarchive>=2.6.0' 'libdownload>=1.3' 'pacman-mirrorlist')

pacman-mirrorlist is just one file which you could include in pacman if you wanted. The bash dependency is just for makepkg.

libarchive: depends=('zlib' 'bzip2' 'xz-utils' 'acl' 'openssl')

You can omit xz-utils. You can probably also omit bzip2, acl and openssl, check the configure options. I have no idea why libarchive would need openssl (and libdownload wouldn't). zlib is just for gzip compression. bzip2 is for bzip2 compression (which arch hasn't used so far) and xz-utils for lzma or xz compression, which we also don't use. acl is needed for Access Control Lists, you probably want acl on any linux system anyway. If you are lucky, you can disable acl support in libarchive. I still don't understand what you want to achieve. But whatever it is, resorting to an outdated version of pacman seems like the wrong solution.

Baho Utot

7:12 p.m.

On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 18:05 +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote:

Baho Utot schrieb:

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If you look at what is required in pacman you get

Pacman: depends=('bash' 'libarchive>=2.6.0' 'libdownload>=1.3' 'pacman-mirrorlist')

pacman-mirrorlist is just one file which you could include in pacman if you wanted. The bash dependency is just for makepkg.

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libarchive: depends=('zlib' 'bzip2' 'xz-utils' 'acl' 'openssl')

You can omit xz-utils. You can probably also omit bzip2, acl and openssl, check the configure options. I have no idea why libarchive would need openssl (and libdownload wouldn't).

zlib is just for gzip compression. bzip2 is for bzip2 compression (which arch hasn't used so far) and xz-utils for lzma or xz compression, which we also don't use. acl is needed for Access Control Lists, you probably want acl on any linux system anyway. If you are lucky, you can disable acl support in libarchive.

I still don't understand what you want to achieve. But whatever it is, resorting to an outdated version of pacman seems like the wrong solution.

Those dependency are from the respective PKGBUILDs I want to track some installed packages on a non Arch distro ( old one )

Roman Kyrylych

5:25 p.m.

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 13:35, Baho Utot wrote:

Secure Connection Failed

dev.archlinux.org uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is not trusted because it is self-signed.

(Error code: sec_error_untrusted_issuer)

* This could be a problem with the server's configuration, or it could be someone trying to impersonate the server.

* If you have connected to this server successfully in the past, the error may be temporary, and you can try again later.

Or you can add an exception…

Then:

Developer Login Username: Password:

Why are you using dev.archlinux.org instead of a mirror, BTW? -- Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич)

Roman Kyrylych

5:35 p.m.

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 20:25, Roman Kyrylych wrote:

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 13:35, Baho Utot wrote:

...
Secure Connection Failed

dev.archlinux.org uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is not trusted because it is self-signed.

(Error code: sec_error_untrusted_issuer)

* This could be a problem with the server's configuration, or it could be someone trying to impersonate the server.

* If you have connected to this server successfully in the past, the error may be temporary, and you can try again later.

Or you can add an exception…

Then:

Developer Login Username: Password:

Why are you using dev.archlinux.org instead of a mirror, BTW?

Ah, ignore this. I've just realized you just clicked on that link, the correct is: http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/pacman/ -- Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич)

Aaron Griffin

5:43 p.m.

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Roman Kyrylych wrote:

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 20:25, Roman Kyrylych wrote:

...
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 13:35, Baho Utot wrote:

...
Secure Connection Failed

dev.archlinux.org uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is not trusted because it is self-signed.

(Error code: sec_error_untrusted_issuer)

* This could be a problem with the server's configuration, or it could be someone trying to impersonate the server.

* If you have connected to this server successfully in the past, the error may be temporary, and you can try again later.

Or you can add an exception…

Then:

Developer Login Username: Password:

Why are you using dev.archlinux.org instead of a mirror, BTW?

Ah, ignore this. I've just realized you just clicked on that link, the correct is: http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/pacman/

Yeah this my fault - my firefox keyword for package searches uses de.archlinux.org :oops:

Baho Utot

7:13 p.m.

On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 20:25 +0300, Roman Kyrylych wrote:

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 13:35, Baho Utot wrote:

...
Secure Connection Failed

dev.archlinux.org uses an invalid security certificate.

The certificate is not trusted because it is self-signed.

(Error code: sec_error_untrusted_issuer)

* This could be a problem with the server's configuration, or it could be someone trying to impersonate the server.

* If you have connected to this server successfully in the past, the error may be temporary, and you can try again later.

Or you can add an exception…

Then:

Developer Login Username: Password:

Why are you using dev.archlinux.org instead of a mirror, BTW?

Because that was the link that was posted by someone for me. I just clicked from evolution.

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