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David C. Rankin

4 Nov 2009 4 Nov '09

5:31 a.m.

Listmates, New drive for my laptop so I dedicated it to Arch. Net install with 2009.08 went fine (although there really should be a warning when you leave install WITHOUT configuring the bootloader). [the /arch/setup menu autoadvances when you leave Configure System and if you click Done and downarrow anticipating moving to the next item, you can easily miss configuring the bootloader (I did ;-)] The problem I have is that my laptop is stuck in 1152x864 resolution. For the text install that is fantastic, but when you start kde -- not so good. (should be 1440x900) The card is an RS690M (radeon 1200) and the radeon driver was loaded by default. The modules configured are: 22:46 alchemy:~> lsmod | grep rad radeon 716352 1 ttm 43776 1 radeon drm 191392 2 radeon,ttm i2c_algo_bit 6980 1 radeon i2c_core 25664 4 radeon,i2c_piix4,drm,i2c_algo_bit THE WEIRD PART... I have Arch on the drive I just took out and it goes to 1440x900 just fine. I am not using an xorg.conf, so I am pretty much at X's mercy. I use /etc/rc.d/kdm start from runlevel 3 to start kdm. It goes to 1152x864 instead of 1440x900. I don't understand how to control the new KMS stuff. I have check the kde4 settings for Display Size and Orientations, but the maximum allowed is 1152x864: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/bugs/kde4/kde4-syssettings-display.jpg http://www.3111skyline.com/download/bugs/kde4/kde4-syssettings-1164.png What is the trick? Also, when I try to start xdm from inittab with the default x:5:respawn:/usr/bin/xdm -nodaemon I get the disabling for 5 seconds, respawning too fast error. So, what's the trick here? I bet there related... I have put the Xorg.0.log on the server as well: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/bugs/kde4/Xorg.0.log It looks like the dang thing is using the vesa driver?? I'll add radeon to modules, but It's loaded already so I don't think that's going to help. Anybody know what's happening here? This is the first install where I haven't installed KDE3, so i don't know if that is a part of the issue either. Any help would be greatly appreciated. If you need to see anything else, just let me know. Thanks. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com

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David C. Rankin

4 Nov 4 Nov

10:40 a.m.

On Tuesday 03 November 2009 23:31:20 David C. Rankin wrote:

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Listmates,

New drive for my laptop so I dedicated it to Arch. Net install with 2009.08 went fine (although there really should be a warning when you leave install WITHOUT configuring the bootloader). [the /arch/setup menu autoadvances when you leave Configure System and if you click Done and downarrow anticipating moving to the next item, you can easily miss configuring the bootloader (I did ;-)]

The problem I have is that my laptop is stuck in 1152x864 resolution. For the text install that is fantastic, but when you start kde -- not so good. (should be 1440x900) The card is an RS690M (radeon 1200) and the radeon driver was loaded by default. The modules configured are:

22:46 alchemy:~> lsmod | grep rad radeon 716352 1 ttm 43776 1 radeon drm 191392 2 radeon,ttm i2c_algo_bit 6980 1 radeon i2c_core 25664 4 radeon,i2c_piix4,drm,i2c_algo_bit

THE WEIRD PART...

I have Arch on the drive I just took out and it goes to 1440x900 just fine.

I am not using an xorg.conf, so I am pretty much at X's mercy. I use /etc/rc.d/kdm start from runlevel 3 to start kdm. It goes to 1152x864 instead of 1440x900. I don't understand how to control the new KMS stuff. I have check the kde4 settings for Display Size and Orientations, but the maximum allowed is 1152x864:

http://www.3111skyline.com/download/bugs/kde4/kde4-syssettings-display.jpg

http://www.3111skyline.com/download/bugs/kde4/kde4-syssettings-1164.png

What is the trick?

Also, when I try to start xdm from inittab with the default x:5:respawn:/usr/bin/xdm -nodaemon I get the disabling for 5 seconds, respawning too fast error. So, what's the trick here? I bet there related...

I have put the Xorg.0.log on the server as well:

http://www.3111skyline.com/download/bugs/kde4/Xorg.0.log

It looks like the dang thing is using the vesa driver?? I'll add radeon to modules, but It's loaded already so I don't think that's going to help. Anybody know what's happening here? This is the first install where I haven't installed KDE3, so i don't know if that is a part of the issue either.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. If you need to see anything else, just let me know. Thanks.

Listmates, I have more info. It looks like an xdpy problem: screen #0: print screen: no dimensions: 1152x864 pixels (370x231 millimeters) resolution: 79x95 dots per inch depths (7): 24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32 root window id: 0x101 depth of root window: 24 planes number of colormaps: minimum 1, maximum 1 default colormap: 0x20 default number of colormap cells: 256 preallocated pixels: black 0, white 16777215 options: backing-store NO, save-unders NO largest cursor: 1152x864 current input event mask: 0x5a403c ButtonPressMask ButtonReleaseMask EnterWindowMask LeaveWindowMask KeymapStateMask StructureNotifyMask SubstructureNotifyMask SubstructureRedirectMask PropertyChangeMask number of visuals: 64 default visual id: 0x21 resolutions should be 99x99. How do I fix this ??

Jan de Groot

10:49 a.m.

New subject: [arch-general] Mayday - Installed Fresh Archlinux on Laptop - Resolution stuck 1152x864, need 1440x900??

On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 23:31 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:

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http://www.3111skyline.com/download/bugs/kde4/Xorg.0.log

Install xf86-video-ati, the vesa driver you're using now is limited to standard VESA resolutions, which usually excludes widescreen resolutions.

Dieter Plaetinck

11:04 a.m.

New subject: [arch-general] Mayday - Installed Fresh Archlinux on Laptop - Resolution stuck 1152x864, need 1440x900??

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:31:20 -0600 "David C. Rankin" wrote:

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Listmates,

New drive for my laptop so I dedicated it to Arch. Net install with 2009.08 went fine (although there really should be a warning when you leave install WITHOUT configuring the bootloader). [the /arch/setup menu autoadvances when you leave Configure System and if you click Done and downarrow anticipating moving to the next item, you can easily miss configuring the bootloader (I did ;-)]

arch is not, was not and will never be a hand-holding distro. if anyone doesn't pay attention and just skips steps it's that persons own problem imho. (in fact the interactive installer already does too much handholding) Dieter

christopher floess

12:18 p.m.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:31:20 -0600 "David C. Rankin" wrote:

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Listmates,

New drive for my laptop so I dedicated it to Arch. Net install with 2009.08 went fine (although there really should be a warning when you leave install WITHOUT configuring the bootloader). [the /arch/setup menu autoadvances when you leave Configure System and if you click Done and downarrow anticipating moving to the next item, you can easily miss configuring the bootloader (I did ;-)]

arch is not, was not and will never be a hand-holding distro. if anyone doesn't pay attention and just skips steps it's that persons own problem imho. (in fact the interactive installer already does too much handholding)

Slightly off topic for the thread, but I hope the interactive installer doesn't go away. My skills aren't that far along yet. I was however at least smart enough not to think could skip steps ;) -- chris

Dan McGee

1:17 p.m.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:31:20 -0600 "David C. Rankin" wrote:

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Listmates,

New drive for my laptop so I dedicated it to Arch. Net install with 2009.08 went fine (although there really should be a warning when you leave install WITHOUT configuring the bootloader). [the /arch/setup menu autoadvances when you leave Configure System and if you click Done and downarrow anticipating moving to the next item, you can easily miss configuring the bootloader (I did ;-)]

arch is not, was not and will never be a hand-holding distro. if anyone doesn't pay attention and just skips steps it's that persons own problem imho. (in fact the interactive installer already does too much handholding)

So he maybe came up with an answer to the wrong problem. Problem as stated: "there really should be a warning when you leave install WITHOUT configuring the bootloader" and problem as I read it from the context: "the installer auto-advances so it is really easy to hit quit on accident if you were expecting to have to hit down and enter" You can't possibly justify the second stated problem as a hand-holding mistake, unless you mean we shouldn't even auto-advance. A simple confirm quit dialog would solve the issue here as people would quickly realize they missed a step. -Dan

Dieter Plaetinck

2:22 p.m.

New subject: [arch-general] Mayday - Installed Fresh Archlinux on Laptop - Resolution stuck 1152x864, need 1440x900??

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 07:17:38 -0600 Dan McGee wrote:

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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:31:20 -0600 "David C. Rankin" wrote:

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Listmates,

New drive for my laptop so I dedicated it to Arch. Net install with 2009.08 went fine (although there really should be a warning when you leave install WITHOUT configuring the bootloader). [the /arch/setup menu autoadvances when you leave Configure System and if you click Done and downarrow anticipating moving to the next item, you can easily miss configuring the bootloader (I did ;-)]

arch is not, was not and will never be a hand-holding distro. if anyone doesn't pay attention and just skips steps it's that persons own problem imho. (in fact the interactive installer already does too much handholding)

So he maybe came up with an answer to the wrong problem. Problem as stated: "there really should be a warning when you leave install WITHOUT configuring the bootloader" and problem as I read it from the context: "the installer auto-advances so it is really easy to hit quit on accident if you were expecting to have to hit down and enter"

You can't possibly justify the second stated problem as a hand-holding mistake, unless you mean we shouldn't even auto-advance. A simple confirm quit dialog would solve the issue here as people would quickly realize they missed a step.

-Dan

well, even if you didn't expect the auto-advance behavior, i still expect users to read the name of the option before they activate it. trying to detect/recover from silly user errors such as not doing that is what i call hand-holding. that said, a simple confirmation dialog would add only 1 line of code, so if someone sends the patch (or files a feature request) it can be done. Dieter

David C. Rankin

9:38 p.m.

New subject: [arch-general] Mayday - Installed Fresh Archlinux on Laptop - Resolution stuck 1152x864, need 1440x900?? [SOLVED]

On Tuesday 03 November 2009 23:31:20 David C. Rankin wrote:

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The problem I have is that my laptop is stuck in 1152x864 resolution. For the text install that is fantastic, but when you start kde -- not so good. (should be 1440x900) The card is an RS690M (radeon 1200) and the radeon driver was loaded by default. The modules configured are:

Well, It's done and working well. There were a couple of layers missed items to get the proper resolution. First, despite the radeon driver being shown as loaded with lsmod, the xf86-video-ati package wasn't installed so the driver for the graphics wasn't present causing X/kdm t default to framebuffer which has 1152x864 and 1400x1050, but not 1440x900. Installing the ati package allowed me to set up the early start configuration KMS with the radeon driver. Booting immediately placed me in a vt1 which was beautifully sized for my laptop display (I'm still not sure the exact text resolution, but it looks damn good -- I'll check the next time I'm there) A negative side effect of the new console resolution is that vi will NOT run. It errors out on start complaining about the text mode size being too big. Vim and mc handle the resolution without any problem. In both kde and e16, the display does OK. (Not good speed wise, but damn good for normal operation) It is a big improvement over the normal kernel module/xorg.conf setup because now desktop effects work OK. There are still some effects that just flat do NOT work for any radeon card I have tried (exploding windows, cylinder rotate and sphere rotate to name a few. When you attempt to activate exploding windows, "The following effects could not be activated, Explosion". With the cylinder and sphere, you get no feedback at all, they just don't work. (work fine on all my Nvidia boxes) Oh, well. We are up. Thank you all for your great suggestions. I've got two more radeon projects/issues. One, tweaking the setting to see if I can get some additional performance out of the card (performance sucks with the ati and radeonhd drivers - 1065 FPS with the fglrx driver, 168 FPS with radeonhd, and 160 with ATI). Second, I get to play a bit more with git/bisect to find out where the radeonhd driver died for my laptop. I'll let you know if anything good comes from either.

Byron Clark

9:43 p.m.

New subject: [arch-general] Mayday - Installed Fresh Archlinux on Laptop - Resolution stuck 1152x864, need 1440x900?? [SOLVED]

On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 03:38:26PM -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:

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A negative side effect of the new console resolution is that vi will NOT run. It errors out on start complaining about the text mode size being too big. Vim and mc handle the resolution without any problem.

http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/15844 -- Byron Clark

Jan de Groot

9:50 p.m.

New subject: [arch-general] Mayday - Installed Fresh Archlinux on Laptop - Resolution stuck 1152x864, need 1440x900?? [SOLVED]

On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 14:43 -0700, Byron Clark wrote:

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On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 03:38:26PM -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:

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A negative side effect of the new console resolution is that vi will NOT run. It errors out on start complaining about the text mode size being too big. Vim and mc handle the resolution without any problem.

http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/15844

Most simple fix at this moment: pacman -R vi; pacman -S vim; ln -s vim /usr/bin/vi I hate the basic vi package, but that's because I'm used to the way vim works with all its features not present in ex-vi or nvi.

David C. Rankin

6 Nov 6 Nov

8:48 a.m.

New subject: [arch-general] Mayday - Installed Fresh Archlinux on Laptop - Resolution stuck 1152x864, need 1440x900?? [SOLVED]

On Wednesday 04 November 2009 15:50:02 Jan de Groot wrote:

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On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 14:43 -0700, Byron Clark wrote:

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On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 03:38:26PM -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:

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A negative side effect of the new console resolution is that vi will NOT run. It errors out on start complaining about the text mode size being too big. Vim and mc handle the resolution without any problem.

http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/15844

Most simple fix at this moment: pacman -R vi; pacman -S vim; ln -s vim /usr/bin/vi

I hate the basic vi package, but that's because I'm used to the way vim works with all its features not present in ex-vi or nvi.

I always do this to begin with, but it was a brand new install so I hadn't got to the point of installing vim ( but I did -- real quick -- once I hit the vi bug :-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com

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