[arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.
Hi, I've been using Arch since few months and I enjoy using it everyday that goes by. However, during that time, while helping Arch users on the forum, I've encountered some issues concerning upgrades and broken packages. I personally think Arch is stable and well maintained compared to other big distros, but that's a rolling release stability, that lasts only few days or weeks. What I would like Arch developers is to extend the rolling release into a snapshot release of an entire list of officially maintained packages, comprising both core and extra branches. At least it would be a great way of using Arch for 5 to 6 moths and then upgrade to a next snapshot release. I'm not talking about stable releases, just a snapshot of a rolling state. Snapshot releases does also benefit the natural need of closing bugs. Not to mention, it does make it easy to maintain orphaned packages as well. Regards, Ali
Ali H. Caliskan wrote:
Hi,
I've been using Arch since few months and I enjoy using it everyday that goes by. However, during that time, while helping Arch users on the forum, I've encountered some issues concerning upgrades and broken packages. I personally think Arch is stable and well maintained compared to other big distros, but that's a rolling release stability, that lasts only few days or weeks. What I would like Arch developers is to extend the rolling release into a snapshot release of an entire list of officially maintained packages, comprising both core and extra branches. At least it would be a great way of using Arch for 5 to 6 moths and then upgrade to a next snapshot release. I'm not talking about stable releases, just a snapshot of a rolling state. Snapshot releases does also benefit the natural need of closing bugs. Not to mention, it does make it easy to maintain orphaned packages as well.
Not going to happen... well at least not by the official dev team. And every community based proect to make a stable Arch branch has failed (although the last one got much closer than any previous attempts). Allan
Ali H. Caliskan wrote:
Hi,
I've been using Arch since few months and I enjoy using it everyday that goes by. However, during that time, while helping Arch users on the forum, I've encountered some issues concerning upgrades and broken packages.
what broken packages? if archlinux provides vanilla packages and doesn't provide custom made configuration, doesn't mean that are broken.
I personally think Arch is stable and well maintained compared to other big distros, but that's a rolling release stability, that lasts only few days or weeks.
how come for a lot of people can last years? you made me think that you are the problem.
What I would like Arch developers is to extend the rolling release into a snapshot release of an entire list of officially maintained packages, comprising both core and extra branches. At least it would be a great way of using Arch for 5 to 6 moths and then upgrade to a next snapshot release.
that will make archlinux like fedora,mandriva,ubuntu. it will kill archlinux for ever.
I'm not talking about stable releases, just a snapshot of a rolling state. Snapshot releases does also benefit the natural need of closing bugs. Not to mention, it does make it easy to maintain orphaned packages as well.
archlinux is a rolling release distribution. that was my first motivation when i switch to archlinux. i like archlinux the way is it now. personally i don't want developers to change anything. leave it like this :)
Regards,
Ali
-- Ionut
Well I think you're to dramatic now :) No one is going to kill something that is rock solid and dynamic distro, the only ones that will manage to do so is those who don't care about it at all. I mean you don't get the point here. I'm creating an wiki article(Snapshot_Release), hopping to explain my arguments clearly as possible. Regards, Ali On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Biru Ionut <biru.ionut@gmail.com> wrote:
Ali H. Caliskan wrote:
Hi,
I've been using Arch since few months and I enjoy using it everyday that goes by. However, during that time, while helping Arch users on the forum, I've encountered some issues concerning upgrades and broken packages.
what broken packages? if archlinux provides vanilla packages and doesn't provide custom made configuration, doesn't mean that are broken.
I personally think Arch is stable and well maintained compared to other
big distros, but that's a rolling release stability, that lasts only few days or weeks.
how come for a lot of people can last years? you made me think that you are the problem.
What I would like Arch developers is to extend the rolling release
into a snapshot release of an entire list of officially maintained packages, comprising both core and extra branches. At least it would be a great way of using Arch for 5 to 6 moths and then upgrade to a next snapshot release.
that will make archlinux like fedora,mandriva,ubuntu. it will kill archlinux for ever.
I'm not talking about stable releases, just a snapshot of a rolling state.
Snapshot releases does also benefit the natural need of closing bugs. Not to mention, it does make it easy to maintain orphaned packages as well.
archlinux is a rolling release distribution. that was my first motivation when i switch to archlinux. i like archlinux the way is it now. personally i don't want developers to change anything. leave it like this :)
Regards,
Ali
-- Ionut
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Ali H. Caliskan <ali.h.caliskan@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I've been using Arch since few months and I enjoy using it everyday that goes by. However, during that time, while helping Arch users on the forum, I've encountered some issues concerning upgrades and broken packages. I personally think Arch is stable and well maintained compared to other big distros, but that's a rolling release stability, that lasts only few days or weeks. What I would like Arch developers is to extend the rolling release into a snapshot release of an entire list of officially maintained packages, comprising both core and extra branches. At least it would be a great way of using Arch for 5 to 6 moths and then upgrade to a next snapshot release. I'm not talking about stable releases, just a snapshot of a rolling state. Snapshot releases does also benefit the natural need of closing bugs. Not to mention, it does make it easy to maintain orphaned packages as well.
If your system is running fine, with no bugs or issues that concern you, would you consider that stable? If so, have you ever experienced that with Arch? That's your snapshot. Just wait 6 months and -Syu, it works. Sometimes I've got boxes that I forget to Syu, or can't because of bandwidth. These days even my main machines only get a -Syu when I'm going to do some developer work James
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Ali H. Caliskan
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Allan McRae
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Biru Ionut
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James Rayner