Howdy, No, I don't have pulseaudio installed. I actually can't use it because it will not allow me to use speakup in the console. Interestingly enough, I read something that said moc doesn't have support for pulseaudio. So, I must have found outdated info. Still, I wonder if we are missing a plugin in alsa itself? thanks Storm On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:09:38PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:

Are you using pulseaudio? This works out of the box for me with pulseaudio. moc controls the volume of whatever was the default sink when it was started.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:

...

Howdy, I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and things on the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in alsa, so when I adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc. Everything went well, except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc app, which should be possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in the ~/.moc/config file. It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the volume. It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it gives this error: ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from alsa-plugins, or maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if the alsa controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but it lowers the volume on the whole system. I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return anything. Is there anything I can install to fix this? Thanks for any help Storm -- Powered by Arch Linux! I am registered Linux user number 508465: https://linuxcounter.net/user/508465.html My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.tk/ get my public PGP key: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 43DDC193 Twitter and Facebook are so ... yesteryear. Get your 2MB Social account TODAY! http://2mb.social/main/register My Blackberry is Broken: http://is.gd/my_blackberry_is_broken "I am your soul insane" Slayer - Gemini

-- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'<*>'|sed 's. ..'|tr "<*> !#:2" org@fr33z3

-- Powered by Arch Linux! I am registered Linux user number 508465: https://linuxcounter.net/user/508465.html My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.tk/ get my public PGP key: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 43DDC193 Twitter and Facebook are so ... yesteryear. Get your 2MB Social account TODAY! http://2mb.social/main/register Follow me on GNU Social: https://social.stormdragon.tk/storm "Fell in a river of illusion and apathy" Godsmack - Realign

Howdy, No one has any clue what is stopping it. People have contacted the pulse developers who say it's something with espeakup, but then some think it may be speech-dispatcher's crappy pulse implimentation, which may be the case, cause I think it will work if a dekstop infironment isn't loaded with orca. No one has any clue how, or even what, to fix lol. So, I just avoid pulse. Thanks Storm On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 04:26:40PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:

Alsa itself has a pulseaudio plugin. So applications using alsa will be routed through pulseaudio.

I tried to find the source for that plugin, but couldn't find it. Maybe it was removed from alsa-plugins upstream? Or merged into another plugin?

What is preventing speakup from using pulseaudio?

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:

...

Howdy, No, I don't have pulseaudio installed. I actually can't use it because it will not allow me to use speakup in the console. Interestingly enough, I read something that said moc doesn't have support for pulseaudio. So, I must have found outdated info. Still, I wonder if we are missing a plugin in alsa itself? thanks Storm

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:09:38PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:

...

Are you using pulseaudio? This works out of the box for me with pulseaudio. moc controls the volume of whatever was the default sink when it was started.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:

...

Howdy, I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and things on the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in alsa, so when I adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc. Everything went well, except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc app, which should be possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in the ~/.moc/config file. It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the volume. It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it gives this error: ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from alsa-plugins, or maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if the alsa controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but it lowers the volume on the whole system. I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return anything. Is there anything I can install to fix this? Thanks for any help Storm -- Powered by Arch Linux! I am registered Linux user number 508465: https://linuxcounter.net/user/508465.html My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.tk/ get my public PGP key: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 43DDC193 Twitter and Facebook are so ... yesteryear. Get your 2MB Social account TODAY! http://2mb.social/main/register My Blackberry is Broken: http://is.gd/my_blackberry_is_broken "I am your soul insane" Slayer - Gemini

-- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'<*>'|sed 's. ..'|tr "<*> !#:2" org@fr33z3

-- Powered by Arch Linux! I am registered Linux user number 508465: https://linuxcounter.net/user/508465.html My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.tk/ get my public PGP key: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 43DDC193 Twitter and Facebook are so ... yesteryear. Get your 2MB Social account TODAY! http://2mb.social/main/register Follow me on GNU Social: https://social.stormdragon.tk/storm "Fell in a river of illusion and apathy" Godsmack - Realign

-- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'<*>'|sed 's. ..'|tr "<*> !#:2" org@fr33z3

-- Powered by Arch Linux! I am registered Linux user number 508465: https://linuxcounter.net/user/508465.html My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.tk/ get my public PGP key: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 43DDC193 Twitter and Facebook are so ... yesteryear. Get your 2MB Social account TODAY! http://2mb.social/main/register Follow me on GNU Social: https://social.stormdragon.tk/storm "Serpent's kin, born of sin. Dark within, father of the wolf!" Amon Amarth - Father of the Wolf

While it's generally not recommended, you *can* run pulseaudio also as a system-wide instance. On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Michał Zegan wrote:

this is very well known to me, and also quite logical. pulseaudio is a session process, espeakup is a system process. that whole thing actually means it will have exactly those problems.

W dniu 26.09.2015 o 15:32, Storm Dragon pisze:

...

Howdy, No one has any clue what is stopping it. People have contacted the pulse developers who say it's something with espeakup, but then some think it may be speech-dispatcher's crappy pulse implimentation, which may be the case, cause I think it will work if a dekstop infironment isn't loaded with orca. No one has any clue how, or even what, to fix lol. So, I just avoid pulse. Thanks Storm On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 04:26:40PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:

...

Alsa itself has a pulseaudio plugin. So applications using alsa will be routed through pulseaudio.

I tried to find the source for that plugin, but couldn't find it. Maybe it was removed from alsa-plugins upstream? Or merged into another plugin?

What is preventing speakup from using pulseaudio?

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:

...

Howdy, No, I don't have pulseaudio installed. I actually can't use it because it will not allow me to use speakup in the console. Interestingly enough, I read something that said moc doesn't have support for pulseaudio. So, I must have found outdated info. Still, I wonder if we are missing a plugin in alsa itself? thanks Storm

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:09:38PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:

...

Are you using pulseaudio? This works out of the box for me with pulseaudio. moc controls the volume of whatever was the default sink when it was started.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:

...

Howdy, I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and things on the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in alsa, so when I adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc. Everything went well, except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc app, which should be possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in the ~/.moc/config file. It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the volume. It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it gives this error: ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from alsa-plugins, or maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if the alsa controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but it lowers the volume on the whole system. I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return anything. Is there anything I can install to fix this? Thanks for any help Storm -- Powered by Arch Linux! I am registered Linux user number 508465: https://linuxcounter.net/user/508465.html My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.tk/ get my public PGP key: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 43DDC193 Twitter and Facebook are so ... yesteryear. Get your 2MB Social account TODAY! http://2mb.social/main/register My Blackberry is Broken: http://is.gd/my_blackberry_is_broken "I am your soul insane" Slayer - Gemini

-- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'<*>'|sed 's. ..'|tr "<*> !#:2" org@fr33z3

-- Powered by Arch Linux! I am registered Linux user number 508465: https://linuxcounter.net/user/508465.html My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.tk/ get my public PGP key: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 43DDC193 Twitter and Facebook are so ... yesteryear. Get your 2MB Social account TODAY! http://2mb.social/main/register Follow me on GNU Social: https://social.stormdragon.tk/storm "Fell in a river of illusion and apathy" Godsmack - Realign

-- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'<*>'|sed 's. ..'|tr "<*> !#:2" org@fr33z3

-- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'<*>'|sed 's. ..'|tr "<*> !#:2" org@fr33z3

The performance impact is hardly an issue on any modern machine you will be running it. The main concerns are regarding security. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/Syste... On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Michał Zegan wrote:

It is not recommended for, I believe, a good reason, including severe performance impact.

W dniu 26.09.2015 o 15:39, Christoph Gysin pisze:

...

While it's generally not recommended, you *can* run pulseaudio also as a system-wide instance.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Michał Zegan wrote:

...

this is very well known to me, and also quite logical. pulseaudio is a session process, espeakup is a system process. that whole thing actually means it will have exactly those problems.

W dniu 26.09.2015 o 15:32, Storm Dragon pisze:

...

Howdy, No one has any clue what is stopping it. People have contacted the pulse developers who say it's something with espeakup, but then some think it may be speech-dispatcher's crappy pulse implimentation, which may be the case, cause I think it will work if a dekstop infironment isn't loaded with orca. No one has any clue how, or even what, to fix lol. So, I just avoid pulse. Thanks Storm On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 04:26:40PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:

...

Alsa itself has a pulseaudio plugin. So applications using alsa will be routed through pulseaudio.

I tried to find the source for that plugin, but couldn't find it. Maybe it was removed from alsa-plugins upstream? Or merged into another plugin?

What is preventing speakup from using pulseaudio?

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:

...

Howdy, No, I don't have pulseaudio installed. I actually can't use it because it will not allow me to use speakup in the console. Interestingly enough, I read something that said moc doesn't have support for pulseaudio. So, I must have found outdated info. Still, I wonder if we are missing a plugin in alsa itself? thanks Storm

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:09:38PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote: > > > Are you using pulseaudio? This works out of the box for me with > pulseaudio. moc controls the volume of whatever was the default sink > when it was started. > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Storm Dragon > wrote: >> >> >> Howdy, >> I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and >> things >> on the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in >> alsa, >> so >> when I adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc. >> Everything >> went well, except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc >> app, >> which >> should be possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in >> the >> ~/.moc/config file. >> It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the >> volume. >> It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it >> gives >> this >> error: >> ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared >> library >> /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so >> This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from >> alsa-plugins, >> or >> maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if >> the >> alsa controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but >> it >> lowers the volume on the whole system. >> I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return >> anything. >> Is >> there anything I can install to fix this? >> Thanks for any help >> Storm >> -- >> Powered by Arch Linux! I am registered Linux user number 508465: >> https://linuxcounter.net/user/508465.html >> My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.tk/ >> get my public PGP key: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key >> 43DDC193 >> Twitter and Facebook are so ... yesteryear. Get your 2MB Social >> account >> TODAY! http://2mb.social/main/register >> My Blackberry is Broken: http://is.gd/my_blackberry_is_broken >> "I am your soul insane" >> Slayer - Gemini > > > > > > -- > echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'<*>'|sed 's. ..'|tr "<*> !#:2" org@fr33z3

-- Powered by Arch Linux! I am registered Linux user number 508465: https://linuxcounter.net/user/508465.html My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.tk/ get my public PGP key: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 43DDC193 Twitter and Facebook are so ... yesteryear. Get your 2MB Social account TODAY! http://2mb.social/main/register Follow me on GNU Social: https://social.stormdragon.tk/storm "Fell in a river of illusion and apathy" Godsmack - Realign

-- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'<*>'|sed 's. ..'|tr "<*> !#:2" org@fr33z3

-- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'<*>'|sed 's. ..'|tr "<*> !#:2" org@fr33z3

On 09/26/2015 08:26 AM, Christoph Gysin wrote:

Alsa itself has a pulseaudio plugin. So applications using alsa will be routed through pulseaudio.

I tried to find the source for that plugin, but couldn't find it. Maybe it was removed from alsa-plugins upstream? Or merged into another plugin?

What is preventing speakup from using pulseaudio?

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:

...

Howdy, No, I don't have pulseaudio installed. I actually can't use it because it will not allow me to use speakup in the console. Interestingly enough, I read something that said moc doesn't have support for pulseaudio. So, I must have found outdated info. Still, I wonder if we are missing a plugin in alsa itself? thanks Storm

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 03:09:38PM +0300, Christoph Gysin wrote:

...

Are you using pulseaudio? This works out of the box for me with pulseaudio. moc controls the volume of whatever was the default sink when it was started.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:

...

Howdy, I have installed extra/moc 1:2.5.0-3. Reading through the docs, and things on the net, I found a way to set up a softvol control for it in alsa, so when I adjust its volume, it only changes the volume for moc. Everything went well, except, I can't adjust the volume from within the moc app, which should be possible because you can set the alsa device and mixer in the ~/.moc/config file. It is using the right device, and amixer sset Mocmaster 50% sets the volume. It's just the in program controls that fail. When moc starts, it gives this error: ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_ctl_softvol.so This makes me think that either a plugin is missing from alsa-plugins, or maybe moc is using an outdated way to change its volume. However, if the alsa controls are set to their defaults, the volume works fine, but it lowers the volume on the whole system. I did a pacman search for alsa softvol but it didn't return anything. Is there anything I can install to fix this? Thanks for any help Storm -- Powered by Arch Linux! I am registered Linux user number 508465: https://linuxcounter.net/user/508465.html My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.tk/ get my public PGP key: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 43DDC193 Twitter and Facebook are so ... yesteryear. Get your 2MB Social account TODAY! http://2mb.social/main/register My Blackberry is Broken: http://is.gd/my_blackberry_is_broken "I am your soul insane" Slayer - Gemini

-- echo mailto: NOSPAM !#$.'<*>'|sed 's. ..'|tr "<*> !#:2" org@fr33z3

-- Powered by Arch Linux! I am registered Linux user number 508465: https://linuxcounter.net/user/508465.html My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.tk/ get my public PGP key: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 43DDC193 Twitter and Facebook are so ... yesteryear. Get your 2MB Social account TODAY! http://2mb.social/main/register Follow me on GNU Social: https://social.stormdragon.tk/storm "Fell in a river of illusion and apathy" Godsmack - Realign

hi Speakup and pulse audio don't get along primarily because speakup is built into the kernel as a module, meaning any speech synthesizers taht talk to it have to be ran as root. If speakup is started before pulseaudio starts, you'll get a situation where you get speech in the desktop but not speech outside it. I'm not completely sure what the cause is, but if you start espeakup, which is the espeak connector to speakup after your desktop or pulse audio is started, it works, although it's a little laggy. This sounds like a probme either for the speakup or the pulseaudio people, but both deny responsibility for the problem, urging me to bug the other, so nothing gets done. The only real solution, if it can be called that, is to use speech-dispatcher with speakup through a program called speechdup. But this program is long abandoned and only works even half way in vinux, which is based off of ubuntu. Thanks Kendell clark