[arch-general] systemd transition on virtual server - help needed
hi list, i am running an arch server (x84_64) inside a virtual private server. now that systemd smoothly comes to be standart, i would like to understand, how this affects my machine. as this is a vps, i have no control over the running kernel, which is a 2.6.36.4-vs2.3.0.36.39-netcup atm. (netcup is a german webhosting provider). also i do not know much about the virtualisation machinery running there. as this is a server used for productivity, i would like to understand whats happening to it, to keep maintenance downtime at a reasonable low level. at what point will i (propably) get in trouble because of systemd, when (if ever) will i be unable to boot with this machine if i keep updating? thanks for helping suggestions. georg
Hi, * G. Schlisio <g.schlisio@gmx.de> [2012-10-09 17:43:17 +0200]:
i am running an arch server (x84_64) inside a virtual private server. now that systemd smoothly comes to be standart, i would like to understand, how this affects my machine.
you _should_ be able to continue using initscripts for some while even when systemd is the default.
as this is a vps, i have no control over the running kernel, which is a 2.6.36.4-vs2.3.0.36.39-netcup atm. (netcup is a german webhosting provider).
This kernel version is more or less 2 years old, I'd suggest telling your provider to upgrade. Systemd needs at least 2.6.39 I think, and also some options (see [1]) enabled, so I think it's safe to say systemd won't run on your VPS.
at what point will i (propably) get in trouble because of systemd, when (if ever) will i be unable to boot with this machine if i keep updating?
At the point there's an upgrade with systemd replacing sysvinit. I'd add systemd and systemd-sysvcompat to IgnorePkg in /etc/pacman.conf and hope. Florian [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Q:_What_kernel_options_do_I_nee... -- O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail www.asciiribbon.org www.the-compiler.org | I love long mails http://email.is-not-s.ms/ Man who arrives at party two hours late will find he has been beaten to the punch.
Am 09.10.2012 20:34, schrieb Florian Bruhin:
At the point there's an upgrade with systemd replacing sysvinit. I'd add systemd and systemd-sysvcompat to IgnorePkg in /etc/pacman.conf and hope.
Bad idea. initscripts require the systemd package, even when you don't run systemd itself. There are no immediate plans to drop the initscripts and sysvinit packages - and there will be an announcement before that.
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Thomas Bächler <thomas@archlinux.org> wrote:
Am 09.10.2012 20:34, schrieb Florian Bruhin:
At the point there's an upgrade with systemd replacing sysvinit. I'd add systemd and systemd-sysvcompat to IgnorePkg in /etc/pacman.conf and hope.
Bad idea. initscripts require the systemd package, even when you don't run systemd itself.
There are no immediate plans to drop the initscripts and sysvinit packages - and there will be an announcement before that.
Just don't install systemd-sysvcompat, no need to hold back the systemd package. -t
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G. Schlisio <g.schlisio@gmx.de> wrote:
hi list, i am running an arch server (x84_64) inside a virtual private server.
This might be related to your question. But I am wondering which VPS provider provides a 64-bit kernel.
Am 10.10.2012 07:36, schrieb Abdul Halim Mat Ali:
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G. Schlisio <g.schlisio@gmx.de> wrote:
hi list, i am running an arch server (x84_64) inside a virtual private server.
This might be related to your question. But I am wondering which VPS provider provides a 64-bit kernel.
as indicated in my initial post, provider is netcup. somehow, they just provide 64bit systems [1]. [1] http://www.netcup.de/vserver/vserver_guenstig_qualitaet.php (german)
On 10/09/2012 10:36 PM, Abdul Halim Mat Ali wrote:
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G. Schlisio <g.schlisio@gmx.de> wrote:
hi list, i am running an arch server (x84_64) inside a virtual private server.
This might be related to your question. But I am wondering which VPS provider provides a 64-bit kernel. I know Linode does. I don't know about others.
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 17:43:17 +0200 "G. Schlisio" <g.schlisio@gmx.de> wrote:
hi list, i am running an arch server (x84_64) inside a virtual private server. now that systemd smoothly comes to be standart, i would like to understand, how this affects my machine. as this is a vps, i have no control over the running kernel, which is a 2.6.36.4-vs2.3.0.36.39-netcup atm. (netcup is a german webhosting provider). also i do not know much about the virtualisation machinery running there. as this is a server used for productivity, i would like to understand whats happening to it, to keep maintenance downtime at a reasonable low level. at what point will i (propably) get in trouble because of systemd, when (if ever) will i be unable to boot with this machine if i keep updating? thanks for helping suggestions. georg
There is some info about the future of initscripts and sysvinit in this thread: http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-September/023668...
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Abdul Halim Mat Ali
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David Benfell
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Florian Bruhin
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G. Schlisio
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Thomas Bächler
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Tom Gundersen
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Øyvind Heggstad