pipewire and wireplumber were on this system before the updates happened and I had mpv and vlc playing files. I cleaned the pipewire packages from the system and put pulseaudio on the system and that hasn't improved anything either. mpv generates error output when I try playing a file with it and vlc is silent. mpv.err [E] pw.loop [loop.c:67 pw_loop_new()] 0x55a96c0d3be0: can't make support.system handle: No such file or directory -- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940.