On 02/11/2012 07:30 PM, Ionut Biru wrote:

On 02/11/2012 09:26 PM, Andrea Crotti wrote:

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I am not part of the libav team, but I know many developers and I followed the story of the fork. I then also noticed that my beloved arch is still using ffmpeg and libav is not even in the official repository (but only in AUR).

Is there a reason for that?

because nothing in our repositories requires libav

Everything requiring ffmpeg might require libav instead, which is quite a lot of stuff.

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There are quite a few good reasons to switch over and many already did: - debian unstable (http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-maintainers/2011-Dec...)

the inclusion in debian is questionable and I don't want to open the pandora box and start a long and boring discussion about this.

see my point 1).

Which was? I've seen a couple of threads on the forum and it's quite shocking how much FUD and wrong information there is in there, doesn't it make you think the fact that also gstreamer and VLC are using libav?

Dunno about mplater but mplayer2 uses lubav, but is conpitable with ffmpeg after config script patch (version missmach)

On 12 February 2012 15:45, Andrea Crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote:

On 02/12/2012 12:20 AM, Jesse Jaara wrote:

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Dunno about mplater but mplayer2 uses lubav, but is conpitable with ffmpeg after config script patch (version missmach)

Yes exactly, I don't know many details myself but what I'm sure about is that almost all the core developers switched to libav, and that's the most important thing.

FFmpeg is still merging things more or less from everywhere without any real control of the sources, and that's why it looks it's still evolving, while on the other side things are done properly as they've always been.

I have the same impression. Most of the development seems to take place in the libav project. If you look at the log of the ffmpeg and libav log most of the changes arrive first in the libav and then they are merged to ffmpeg. The ffmpeg maintainer also seems to merge random crap (maybe some development trees, I don't really know) without any real review - not so long ago I saw really big merge commit in ffmpeg which broke ABI without even mentioning it (and bumping the soname). Lukas

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Jason Steadman <mail@meyithi.com> wrote:

Please stop "campaigning", I'm really not interested.

Please mute this thread. @all wonder is the ffmpeg maintainer so maybe he knows something we don't. On the other hand, maintainers often settle for the "evil they know". It's still up to him to decide, but 'ffmpeg and libav' sounds like a legitimate issue to be raised.

[2012-02-12 18:03:31 +0100] Alexander van den Berghe:

I am not familiar with this particular case but judging on the previous messages 'active development' may be an overstatement for ffmpeg. Considering the current situation (again based on previous messages) this discussion is perfectly valid and can hardly be called campaigning.

Awesome. So this discussion is self-sustaining: nobody knows much (everybody says so themselves in their own messages) but nevertheless draws conclusions from hearsay and previous messages. How long do you expect to go on like this without an actual piece of information?

I wonder why you even took the time to reply if you are really not interested.

Because this is a mailing list: pointless emails end up in everybody's inbox and dilute the flow of interesting ones. -- Gaetan