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9 May 2015


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Today's Topics:
1. list of user/group ids supplied by official packages
      (member graysky)
   2. Re: makepkg as root (Ralf Mardorf)
   3. Re: makepkg as root (member graysky)
   4. Re: list of user/group ids supplied by official   packages
      (Troy Engel)
   5. Re: list of user/group ids supplied by official   packages
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   6. Re: list of user/group ids supplied by official   packages
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   7. Re: list of user/group ids supplied by official   packages
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   8. Re: makepkg as root (Eli Schwartz)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 07:50:49 -0500
From: member graysky 
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Subject: [arch-general] list of user/group ids supplied by official
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Is there a list of user/group IDs that official packages from [core]
[extra] and [community] provide?  I wish to insure that the user/group
id in an AUR package I provide[1] does not conflict a user created by
an official package.  I can grep for 'useradd' in my abs tree and
parse through the resulting 137 lines but there must be a better way.
Thanks.
1. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/kodi-standalone-service
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 14:09:19 +0100
From: Ralf Mardorf 
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Subject: Re: [arch-general] makepkg as root
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I am/was an '--asroot' user too. Does a feaure request makes sense?
Happy New Year!
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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 08:12:51 -0500
From: member graysky 
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Subject: Re: [arch-general] makepkg as root
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Don't think you'll get it added back officially. See the discussion in
Allan's blog: http://allanmcrae.com/2014/12/pacman-4-2-released/
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I am/was an '--asroot' user too. Does a feaure request makes sense?
Happy New Year!
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 08:48:17 -0600
From: Troy Engel 
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] list of user/group ids supplied by
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On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 6:50 AM, member graysky 
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Is there a list of user/group IDs that official packages from [core]
[extra] and [community] provide?  I wish to insure that the user/group
id in an AUR package I provide[1] does not conflict a user created by
an official package.  I can grep for 'useradd' in my abs tree and
parse through the resulting 137 lines but there must be a better way.
Thanks.
There's a wiki-based effort to track them here:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:UID_/_GID_Database
A valiant initiative, I'll survey my system(s) and see if I can
contribute anything...
-te
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 08:57:01 -0600
From: Troy Engel 
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] list of user/group ids supplied by
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On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Troy Engel 
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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:UID_/_GID_Database
...and the first one I came across wasn't listed (git), I looked at
it's .INSTALL file and see it's dynamic:
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post_install() {
  if ! getent group git >/dev/null; then
    groupadd --system git
  fi
  if ! getent passwd git >/dev/null; then
    useradd --system -c 'git daemon user' -g git -d / -s /bin/bash git
  fi
}
====
So there are core/extra/community packages using the system dynamic
method which is probably what you should do as well, since everyone's
'git' UID/GID are most likely different. :( Makes it hard if you need
to align across a cluster/shared filesystem, though.
-te
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 10:00:29 -0500
From: member graysky 
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] list of user/group ids supplied by
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Thanks for that link and for the info on dynamic UID's.
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Troy Engel 
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On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Troy Engel 
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https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:UID_/_GID_Database
...and the first one I came across wasn't listed (git), I looked at
it's .INSTALL file and see it's dynamic:
====
post_install() {
  if ! getent group git >/dev/null; then
    groupadd --system git
  fi
  if ! getent passwd git >/dev/null; then
    useradd --system -c 'git daemon user' -g git -d / -s /bin/bash git
  fi
}
====
So there are core/extra/community packages using the system dynamic
method which is probably what you should do as well, since everyone's
'git' UID/GID are most likely different. :( Makes it hard if you need
to align across a cluster/shared filesystem, though.
-te
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 09:14:07 -0600
From: Troy Engel 
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] list of user/group ids supplied by
        official        packages
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On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 9:00 AM, member graysky 
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Thanks for that link and for the info on dynamic UID's.
You're welcome - and I think you've helped uncover a small bug (well,
enhancement) - I found two new systemd* users with suspiciously high
UIDs:
systemd-journal-remote:x:998:998:systemd Journal Remote:/:/sbin/nologin
  systemd-journal-upload:x:997:997:systemd Journal Upload:/:/sbin/nologin
I'm pretty sure since package 'filesystem' isn't creating them (just
checked) that systemd is creating them dynamically at runtime,
searching through code now to prepare a bug report...
-te
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 13:35:52 -0500
From: Eli Schwartz 
To: General Discussion about Arch Linux 
Subject: Re: [arch-general] makepkg as root
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'--asroot' was removed with deliberation and forethought.
If anyone can think of a compelling reason the developers have not thought
of, perhaps you will have luck convincing them. Random feature requests
saying you want it probably don't qualify... at least explain why you are
not able to simply run 'makepkg' in another user account.
I do have to wonder, though, why... one is running as root by default???
Why else would '--asroot' be needed?
-- Eli Schwartz
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