Guys, One other issue I am having with the box after the kernel update is that compiz whitescreens now. (that usually means a driver wasn't recompiled, but this is with the stock xf86-video-ati package). Compiz starts just fine, I get the splash screen, but everything is white. I have had that a number of times when I have forgotten to recompile a driver after a kernel update, but not when using a stock driver. The package I have is: xf86-video-ati-6.13.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz (I checked with lsmod and the radeon driver was loaded just fine) Currently I am not using an xorg.conf, so everything is from the default settings. Not long ago I posted about how impressed I was with the new kernel and ati driver, but something seems to be out of whack now. What can I try to get compiz running again? (I got this much info before being stuck by the UTF-8 issue, so we will have to fix that one before I can boot to work on this compiz issue) Thanks again for your help. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com