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Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi

28 Jun 2009 28 Jun '09

10:25 a.m.

Pierre Schmitz wrote:

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* Only extract files from /opt /lib /sbin /bin /usr/lib /usr/sbin /usr/bin

This will be omit some ELF files that are outside these directories: For example: http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/core.badfhs.txt http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/extra.badfhs.txt http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/community.badfhs.txt -- Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi ( djgera ) http://www.djgera.com.ar KeyID: 0x1B8C330D Key fingerprint = 0CAA D5D4 CD85 4434 A219 76ED 39AB 221B 1B8C 330D

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Pierre Schmitz

28 Jun 28 Jun

10:29 a.m.

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On Sunday 28 June 2009 19:25:08 Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi wrote:

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This will be omit some ELF files that are outside these directories:

For example: http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/core.badfhs.txt http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/extra.badfhs.txt http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/community.badfhs.txt

Sure, but those packages are just broken. You cannot put binaries into /usr/share or even /etc. Doesn't namcap catch those? If not it should be implemented. -- Pierre Schmitz, http://users.archlinux.de/~pierre

Allan McRae

10:41 a.m.

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Pierre Schmitz wrote:

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On Sunday 28 June 2009 19:25:08 Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi wrote:

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This will be omit some ELF files that are outside these directories:

For example: http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/core.badfhs.txt http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/extra.badfhs.txt http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/community.badfhs.txt

Sure, but those packages are just broken. You cannot put binaries into /usr/share or even /etc.

Doesn't namcap catch those? If not it should be implemented.

The current namcap definitely does not. I haven't checked in git. A feature request probably needs files. Everything with a binary in /usr/share needs a bug report filed also. Allan

Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi

11:36 a.m.

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Allan McRae wrote:

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Pierre Schmitz wrote:

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On Sunday 28 June 2009 19:25:08 Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi wrote:

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This will be omit some ELF files that are outside these directories:

For example: http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/core.badfhs.txt http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/extra.badfhs.txt http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/community.badfhs.txt

Sure, but those packages are just broken. You cannot put binaries into /usr/share or even /etc. Absolutelly, yes.

Doesn't namcap catch those? If not it should be implemented.

The current namcap definitely does not. I haven't checked in git. A feature request probably needs files. OK.

Everything with a binary in /usr/share needs a bug report filed also.

Allan

OK, so I will start opening one bug report for each pkg don't complaint about this. -- Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi ( djgera ) http://www.djgera.com.ar KeyID: 0x1B8C330D Key fingerprint = 0CAA D5D4 CD85 4434 A219 76ED 39AB 221B 1B8C 330D

Thomas Bächler

1 Jul 1 Jul

1:55 a.m.

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Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi schrieb:

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Pierre Schmitz wrote:

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* Only extract files from /opt /lib /sbin /bin /usr/lib /usr/sbin /usr/bin

This will be omit some ELF files that are outside these directories:

For example: http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/core.badfhs.txt

Where does that come from? It's not in any package I know of.

Allan McRae

4:33 a.m.

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Thomas Bächler wrote:

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Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi schrieb:

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Pierre Schmitz wrote:

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* Only extract files from /opt /lib /sbin /bin /usr/lib /usr/sbin /usr/bin

This will be omit some ELF files that are outside these directories:

For example: http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/core.badfhs.txt

Where does that come from? It's not in any package I know of.

rp-pppoe-3.10-1/files:etc/ppp/plugins/rp-pppoe.so

Thomas Bächler

5:32 a.m.

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Allan McRae schrieb:

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For example: http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/core.badfhs.txt

Where does that come from? It's not in any package I know of.

rp-pppoe-3.10-1/files:etc/ppp/plugins/rp-pppoe.so

That is stupid. ppp plugins are supposed to be in /usr/lib/pppd/$VERSION and the ppp package already contains the rp-pppoe plugin. Why does rp-pppoe install it again? Why do we even need rp-pppoe?

Aaron Griffin

7:48 a.m.

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On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:

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Allan McRae schrieb:

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For example: http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/core.badfhs.txt

Where does that come from? It's not in any package I know of.

rp-pppoe-3.10-1/files:etc/ppp/plugins/rp-pppoe.so

That is stupid. ppp plugins are supposed to be in /usr/lib/pppd/$VERSION and the ppp package already contains the rp-pppoe plugin. Why does rp-pppoe install it again? Why do we even need rp-pppoe?

Good question - does anyone actually use it?

Loui Chang

8:16 a.m.

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On Wed 01 Jul 2009 09:48 -0500, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:

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Allan McRae schrieb:

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For example: http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/core.badfhs.txt

Where does that come from? It's not in any package I know of.

rp-pppoe-3.10-1/files:etc/ppp/plugins/rp-pppoe.so

That is stupid. ppp plugins are supposed to be in /usr/lib/pppd/$VERSION and the ppp package already contains the rp-pppoe plugin. Why does rp-pppoe install it again? Why do we even need rp-pppoe?

Good question - does anyone actually use it?

http://www.archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics Eh. 72% of pkgstats users do.

Allan McRae

8:29 a.m.

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Loui Chang wrote:

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On Wed 01 Jul 2009 09:48 -0500, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:

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Allan McRae schrieb:

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For example: http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/core.badfhs.txt

Where does that come from? It's not in any package I know of.

rp-pppoe-3.10-1/files:etc/ppp/plugins/rp-pppoe.so

That is stupid. ppp plugins are supposed to be in /usr/lib/pppd/$VERSION and the ppp package already contains the rp-pppoe plugin. Why does rp-pppoe install it again? Why do we even need rp-pppoe?

Good question - does anyone actually use it?

http://www.archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics Eh. 72% of pkgstats users do.

No, 28% know they don't want it even though it is in "base". Slightly different... Allan

Tobias Kieslich

8:32 a.m.

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Ahem, isn't that part of the base install, and people have to or used to have explicitely uncheck it on install? That would explain that number. -T On Wed, 01 Jul 2009, Loui Chang wrote:

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Good question - does anyone actually use it?

http://www.archlinux.de/?page=PackageStatistics Eh. 72% of pkgstats users do.

Damjan Georgievski

2 Jul 2 Jul

7:23 a.m.

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rp-pppoe-3.10-1/files:etc/ppp/plugins/rp-pppoe.so

That is stupid. ppp plugins are supposed to be in /usr/lib/pppd/$VERSION and the ppp package already contains the rp-pppoe plugin. Why does rp-pppoe install it again? Why do we even need rp-pppoe?

Good question - does anyone actually use it?

Yes I do use it, at least rp-pppoe has the pppoe-server program that's for pppoe servers (which I don't think is generally usefull for anyone). But also it contains the pppoe-start/-stop scripts that are usefull for easy connecting to pppoe without networkmanager etc. Also it contains scripts you *must* use if your setup doesn't support kernel-mode-pppoe. Now, rp-pppoe's /etc/ppp/plugins/rp-pppoe.so and ppp-2.4.4's /usr/lib/pppd/2.4.4/rp-pppoe.so are doing the same thing, only the rp-pppoe version should be a bit newer and better. I dont have a clear overview of what the differences are (the ppp one is an older fork of the rp-pppoe version), but I could make a diff and check for obvious things if needed. -- damjan

Thomas Bächler

8:09 a.m.

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Damjan Georgievski schrieb:

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Now, rp-pppoe's /etc/ppp/plugins/rp-pppoe.so and ppp-2.4.4's /usr/lib/pppd/2.4.4/rp-pppoe.so are doing the same thing, only the rp-pppoe version should be a bit newer and better. I dont have a clear overview of what the differences are (the ppp one is an older fork of the rp-pppoe version), but I could make a diff and check for obvious things if needed.

That's what I thought. My impression was that the ppp project is mostly dead, but its sources were imported into a git[1] last year and there was active development. Nothing was ever released though. Anyway, putting a plugin into /etc/ is stupid regardless of why it is being done. [1] http://git.ozlabs.org/?p=ppp.git;a=summary

Loui Chang

1 Jul 1 Jul

8:15 a.m.

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On Wed 01 Jul 2009 14:32 +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote:

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Allan McRae schrieb:

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For example: http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/core.badfhs.txt

Where does that come from? It's not in any package I know of.

rp-pppoe-3.10-1/files:etc/ppp/plugins/rp-pppoe.so

That is stupid. ppp plugins are supposed to be in /usr/lib/pppd/$VERSION and the ppp package already contains the rp-pppoe plugin. Why does rp-pppoe install it again? Why do we even need rp-pppoe?

Hahha. Maybe because of this: http://www.samba.org/ppp/features.html

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Some features of ppp include

* works sometimes

`man rp-pppoe`

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My design goals for this PPPoE client were as follows, in descending order of importance:

o It must work.

There's no documentation about pppoe in ppp either. rp-pppoe helps me make my ADSL connection easily.

Thomas Bächler

10 a.m.

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Loui Chang schrieb:

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Some features of ppp include

* works sometimes

Haha, I've been using ppp and PPPoE for over 8 years (except the short period of time where I had a cheap router).

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`man rp-pppoe`

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My design goals for this PPPoE client were as follows, in descending order of importance:

o It must work.

There's no documentation about pppoe in ppp either. rp-pppoe helps me make my ADSL connection easily.

I collected it together from several (old) HOWTOs back in 2001 and there's a wiki page on Arch (originally written by your's truly) - sad that netcfg doesn't include support (or does it?).

James Rayner

4 Jul 4 Jul

10:46 p.m.

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On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:

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I collected it together from several (old) HOWTOs back in 2001 and there's a wiki page on Arch (originally written by your's truly) - sad that netcfg doesn't include support (or does it?).

There's some vague support, though I have no idea how well/if it still works. Nor is it documented well. btw, I've been meaning to contact you to work out some way to make autowifi and netcfg work well together. James

Thomas Bächler

5 Jul 5 Jul

4:23 a.m.

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James Rayner schrieb:

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There's some vague support, though I have no idea how well/if it still works. Nor is it documented well.

btw, I've been meaning to contact you to work out some way to make autowifi and netcfg work well together.

Haha, I have a very good idea on how to do it, but not the time to implement it right now.

Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi

2 Jul 2 Jul

4:34 p.m.

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Thomas Bächler wrote:

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Allan McRae schrieb:

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For example: http://archlinux.djgera.com.ar/pkgdyn/out/i686/core.badfhs.txt

Where does that come from? It's not in any package I know of.

rp-pppoe-3.10-1/files:etc/ppp/plugins/rp-pppoe.so

That is stupid. ppp plugins are supposed to be in /usr/lib/pppd/$VERSION and the ppp package already contains the rp-pppoe plugin. Why does rp-pppoe install it again? Why do we even need rp-pppoe?

There are an old open ticket for this: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/13876 FS#13876 - [rp-pppoe] package: .so file in /etc -- Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi ( djgera ) http://www.djgera.com.ar KeyID: 0x1B8C330D Key fingerprint = 0CAA D5D4 CD85 4434 A219 76ED 39AB 221B 1B8C 330D

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