[arch-general] Is there a burning tool able to replace K3b?
Hi, a short question but a long story, perhaps somebody could give some hints. To stop a green drive spinning up and down again and again I removed gvfs from my machine, but each time I used K3b seemingly a KDE thingy makes my drive spin up and down again and again until I reboot. Is anybody aware if developers of desktop environments care about things like green drives, optional vs hard dependencies? I also noticed that if using a desktop environment's GUI editor as root this could cause serious issues nowadays. Am I the only one who tries to get rid of desktop environments and the software, such as the desktop environment's editors? I'm experimenting with getting rid of Xfce and I'm testing Jwm at the moment, but generating the menu is PITA and to find good replacements for editors, file browsers etc. isn't easy. Does anybody know burning software that is nearly as comfortable as K3b is, but that doesn't need GNOME or KDE dependencies? Regards, Ralf
you can check the list of applications in the wiki [1]
No, you are not the only one who doesn't like GNOME, KDE, XFCE, ...
have you tried i3?
about replacement software:
try using command line tools, just search the link below for all sorts of
applications...
cheers,
simon
[1]:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List_of_Applications#CD.2FDVD_burning_t...
2014/1/21 Ralf Mardorf
Hi,
a short question but a long story, perhaps somebody could give some hints.
To stop a green drive spinning up and down again and again I removed gvfs from my machine, but each time I used K3b seemingly a KDE thingy makes my drive spin up and down again and again until I reboot.
Is anybody aware if developers of desktop environments care about things like green drives, optional vs hard dependencies?
I also noticed that if using a desktop environment's GUI editor as root this could cause serious issues nowadays.
Am I the only one who tries to get rid of desktop environments and the software, such as the desktop environment's editors?
I'm experimenting with getting rid of Xfce and I'm testing Jwm at the moment, but generating the menu is PITA and to find good replacements for editors, file browsers etc. isn't easy.
Does anybody know burning software that is nearly as comfortable as K3b is, but that doesn't need GNOME or KDE dependencies?
Regards, Ralf
Simon Hanna
you can check the list of applications in the wiki [1] No, you are not the only one who doesn't like GNOME, KDE, XFCE, ... have you tried i3? about replacement software: try using command line tools, just search the link below for all sorts of applications...
cheers, simon
[1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List_of_Applications#CD.2FDVD_burning_t...
In general, it depends on what people like to do... xcdroast needs GNOME libraries and did not evolve since a while, but I added support for hidden audio tracks, when I added support for hidden tracks to cdrtools in January 2010. In general, one big problem is that _all_ GUIs for UNIX seem to have stopped development with respect to adding new features to support related features from cdrtools. It seems that Debian was very successfull when they started to attack cdrtools 10 years ago. I use cdrtools from command line... k3b may be the most actively developed GUI (with respect to features) besides the russion GUI that only works on Win-DOS. GUIs: k3b - no new version since January 2011 xcdroast - no new version since February 2010 brasero - insists in running as root thus insecure (GUIs should not have enhanced privileges) even though cdrtools manage priv separation Seems to have less features than xcdroast writing software: cdrkit - > 100 open bugs, no development since May 2007 cdrdao - no bugfix since 2009, no development since May 2005 dvd+rw-tools - no bugfix since Mach 2008, no development since Jan 2007 cdrskin - not ready for general use (no UDF, no DVD-video, audio deficient) cdrtools - last release: yesterday ;-) The question in general is: are people still interested in optical disks? Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
On 01/21/2014 10:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Hi,
a short question but a long story, perhaps somebody could give some hints.
To stop a green drive spinning up and down again and again I removed gvfs from my machine, but each time I used K3b seemingly a KDE thingy makes my drive spin up and down again and again until I reboot.
Is anybody aware if developers of desktop environments care about things like green drives, optional vs hard dependencies?
I also noticed that if using a desktop environment's GUI editor as root this could cause serious issues nowadays.
Am I the only one who tries to get rid of desktop environments and the software, such as the desktop environment's editors?
I'm experimenting with getting rid of Xfce and I'm testing Jwm at the moment, but generating the menu is PITA and to find good replacements for editors, file browsers etc. isn't easy.
Does anybody know burning software that is nearly as comfortable as K3b is, but that doesn't need GNOME or KDE dependencies?
Regards, Ralf
Ralf... I've got an off the wall possible solution: The only thing that comes close to K3b is a program called "imgburn." The only bad news is that it is only available for Windows. The good news is that it works perfectly well in Wine. Just thouoght I'd throw that out there. I understand your position on installing libraries for desktops you have no intention of using. You should really re-consider though. KDE has some of the best open-source software out there, and in terms of disk space, it's really not a big deal. I've tried every disk burner out there. K3b is the only useful one that doesn't ruin several blank disks before finally getting it right. (brasero), and opens iso's directly through double clicks unlike some others (xfburn) All that being said, There is an option but there again...give it another consideration. Bill
On Tuesday 21 January 2014 12:28:35 Joerg Schilling wrote:
cdrtools - last release: yesterday ;-)
Speaking of cdrtools, do you have some git or svn or something similar repository of cdrtools so people can monitor development or do you simply do release tarballs every so often?
Hussam Al-Tayeb
On Tuesday 21 January 2014 12:28:35 Joerg Schilling wrote:
cdrtools - last release: yesterday ;-)
Speaking of cdrtools, do you have some git or svn or something similar repository of cdrtools so people can monitor development or do you simply do release tarballs every so often?
Development is done with SCCS. Once I have added network support for SCCS, there will be a public repository. Currently there is a tar archive every time a useful and consistent state has been reached. This is something that might be a problem with a public version control as there will be commits when a group of files are consistent but not necessarily the whole project. During the past 7 years, there was aprox. one tarball per month. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf
Hi, To stop a green drive spinning up and down again and again I removed gvfs from my machine, but each time I used K3b seemingly a KDE thingy makes my drive spin up and down again and again until I reboot.
You can check whether k3b is starting some KDE4 service in the Service Manager in KDE System Settings [1]. If some service starts, you should be able to stop it there, too. Lukas [1] http://userbase.kde.org/System_Settings/Startup_and_Shutdown
On 01/21/2014 04:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I'm experimenting with getting rid of Xfce and I'm testing Jwm at the moment, but generating the menu is PITA and to find good replacements for editors, file browsers etc. isn't easy.
fluxbox is my favorite non-KDE/GTK desktop. Menu generation is a snap (any text editor pointed to ~/.fluxbox/menu will do) IIRC dfm is a good dual-pane file manager that is Qt/GTK independent. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 01/24/2014 09:24 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 01/21/2014 04:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I'm experimenting with getting rid of Xfce and I'm testing Jwm at the moment, but generating the menu is PITA and to find good replacements for editors, file browsers etc. isn't easy.
fluxbox is my favorite non-KDE/GTK desktop. Menu generation is a snap (any text editor pointed to ~/.fluxbox/menu will do) IIRC dfm is a good dual-pane file manager that is Qt/GTK independent.
+1 for fluxbox. Openbox and fvwm-crystal are also nice lightweight wm's. DR
On 01/21/2014 04:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Hi,
a short question but a long story, perhaps somebody could give some hints.
To stop a green drive spinning up and down again and again I removed gvfs from my machine, but each time I used K3b seemingly a KDE thingy makes my drive spin up and down again and again until I reboot.
Is anybody aware if developers of desktop environments care about things like green drives, optional vs hard dependencies?
Ralf, You may want to give k3b on TDE a try. I just finished building the package tonight. See: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Trinity#Complete_packages_.28current.29 for the list of current packages for TDE. It provides k3b (tQt3 version), along with k9copy. k3b behaves the same way it did in KDE3 in Trinity. Testing is underway, the final R14 release of Trinity (without hal) should be complete in the next 10 days or so. I have all packages building. So I have x86_64 binaries available for testing. I just need server space to host them... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Personally, I fell in love with AwesomeWM. It's quick to set up, and i've never looked back. Everything works well automagically! B On 01/25/2014 04:46 AM, David Rosenstrauch wrote:
On 01/24/2014 09:24 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 01/21/2014 04:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I'm experimenting with getting rid of Xfce and I'm testing Jwm at the moment, but generating the menu is PITA and to find good replacements for editors, file browsers etc. isn't easy.
fluxbox is my favorite non-KDE/GTK desktop. Menu generation is a snap (any text editor pointed to ~/.fluxbox/menu will do) IIRC dfm is a good dual-pane file manager that is Qt/GTK independent.
+1 for fluxbox. Openbox and fvwm-crystal are also nice lightweight wm's.
DR
participants (9)
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Bennett Piater
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David C. Rankin
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David Rosenstrauch
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Hussam Al-Tayeb
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Joerg Schilling
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Lukas Jirkovsky
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Ralf Mardorf
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Simon Hanna
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William Houser