[arch-general] Some problems with a dell mini
I have a nice del mini 10" with archlinux and XFCE4 It works great after I updated the kernel the audio and the camera started to work, which is nice. BUT - I think the 3d still doesn't work, I followed the guide (using intel-dri drivers) and video now runs smoothly, but glgears is still very slow. Since I've read somewhere that is not a good measure, how do I know for sure if 3d is activated or not? - the wireless is quite painful I use wicd-client/server and it keeps disconnecting, and half of the times it even gives me a password wrong error. Restarting wicd server or the network doesn't help, only restarting apparently does. Very weird - the screensaver I never asked xfce4 that I want a screensaver, and apparently there should be an entry in the configuration menu, but for some reasons I don't, even if I have all the possible extensions and util of xfce4 already installed Thanks a lot, Andrea
On 12 August 2010 22:56, Andrea Crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote:
- I think the 3d still doesn't work, I followed the guide (using intel-dri drivers) and video now runs smoothly, but glgears is still very slow. Since I've read somewhere that is not a good measure, how do I know for sure if 3d is activated or not?
Get a 3D game. I could play UrbanTerror on 800x600 and low details at 24+ FPS on an Acer AspireOne.
- the wireless is quite painful I use wicd-client/server and it keeps disconnecting, and half of the times it even gives me a password wrong error. Restarting wicd server or the network doesn't help, only restarting apparently does. Very weird
Use networkmanager + nm-applet instead. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Ray Rashif <schivmeister@gmail.com> wrote:
Use networkmanager + nm-applet instead.
IIRC nm-applet pulls in half of Gnome and networkmanager does not have a desktop-agnostic graphical frontend. Alternatively you could try wifi-radar. Also, if you believe your hardware is poorly supported do bug the upstream about it. As for the screensaver, do you have xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver installed? HTH, John
Ray Rashif <schivmeister@gmail.com> writes:
Get a 3D game. I could play UrbanTerror on 800x600 and low details at 24+ FPS on an Acer AspireOne.
Mm something less big and easier to install :D? Downloading tuxkart, let's see. Strange because it looks faster then before but not fast as the 3d would be enabled. Ok tuxkart does maybe 2 fps, so probably I have a problem.
Use networkmanager + nm-applet instead.
I also have, I'll see how it behaves now it looks working fine again, I would like to understand what the problem is... Another (more important thing), I use suspend with uswsusp, and it works nicely, BUT I have the swap partition on lvm. Every time I reboot it asks me where it is (while saying is looking in /dev/mini/swap), then I type /dev/mini/swap and it works. So it means that it looks there, doesn't like it, ask me and then he likes it, quite weird isn't it? Thanks
Le Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:31:16 +0200, Andrea Crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote about problems with his wireless card often deconnecting. hi, I have had a similar problem (non-US citizen) and after having setup crda, it works now like a charm (of course depending on signal quality). Quote from http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_Setup: If you want to enable more channels on Intel Wifi 5100 (and quite possible other cards too) you can do that with the crda package. After install, edit /etc/conf.d/wireless-regdom and uncomment the line where your country code is found. Add wireless-regdom to your DAEMONS in rc.conf and restart (which is the easiest thing to do). You should now, when writing sudo iwlist wlan0 channel, have access to more channels (depending on your location).
didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> writes:
Le Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:31:16 +0200, Andrea Crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote about problems with his wireless card often deconnecting.
hi, I have had a similar problem (non-US citizen) and after having setup crda, it works now like a charm (of course depending on signal quality).
Quote from http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_Setup:
If you want to enable more channels on Intel Wifi 5100 (and quite possible other cards too) you can do that with the crda package. After install, edit /etc/conf.d/wireless-regdom and uncomment the line where your country code is found. Add wireless-regdom to your DAEMONS in rc.conf and restart (which is the easiest thing to do). You should now, when writing sudo iwlist wlan0 channel, have access to more channels (depending on your location).
Great thanks a lot, I didn't restart the system but starting the service I get a "nl80211 not found" error. Did you also get the password error or just losing the connection? By the way I would really like to understand why eth0 and eth1 are often switched. One boot I even saw finally wlan0 as wireless interface device name, is there a way to fix them forever?
On 13 August 2010 00:16, JM <fijam@archlinux.us> wrote:
IIRC nm-applet pulls in half of Gnome and networkmanager does not have a desktop-agnostic graphical frontend. Alternatively you could try wifi-radar. Also, if you believe your hardware is poorly supported do bug the upstream about it.
$ pactree network-manager-applet | grep gnome |--libgnome-keyring |--gnome-keyring |--polkit-gnome That's "half" of Gnome? I can plug in my Motorola ROKR E8, Huawei E220, some random CDMA or UMTS device in some random country, connect to a WPA2-secured hotspot, and even dial up ADSL. Compared to that, the above dependencies are nothing. Moreover, it fits in nicely with everything else, KDE or Openbox. On 13 August 2010 03:51, Andrea Crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote:
By the way I would really like to understand why eth0 and eth1 are often switched.
One boot I even saw finally wlan0 as wireless interface device name, is there a way to fix them forever?
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev#Mixed_Up_Devices.2C_Sound.2FNetwork... -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Ray Rashif <schivmeister@gmail.com> wrote:
$ pactree network-manager-applet | grep gnome |--libgnome-keyring |--gnome-keyring |--polkit-gnome
That's "half" of Gnome?
I stand corrected. However, it used to pull in libgnomeui and company through one of its dependencies. Glad to see it was axed as I can give it a try now.
Le Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:51:02 +0200, Andrea Crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> a écrit :
Great thanks a lot, I didn't restart the system but starting the service I get a "nl80211 not found" error.
I don't use Archlinux anymore and thus can't be affirmative but I think this is not really a problem because this feature is compiled in the kernel instead of being available as a module. You can verify if the crda service has been active (it starts but dies after having modified regulatory settings) by just typing sudo crda in a terminal.
Did you also get the password error or just losing the connection?
I don't remember. I just use crda because by default regulatory settings are for the USA. So all channels are not available and some of them are attenuated.
By the way I would really like to understand why eth0 and eth1 are often switched.
One boot I even saw finally wlan0 as wireless interface device name, is there a way to fix them forever?
this is probably an udev issue: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev#Mixed_Up_Devices.2C_Sound.2FNetwork...
didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> writes:
I don't use Archlinux anymore and thus can't be affirmative but I think this is not really a problem because this feature is compiled in the kernel instead of being available as a module. You can verify if the crda service has been active (it starts but dies after having modified regulatory settings) by just typing sudo crda in a terminal.
Then is not enabled, but now the wifi is working perfectly again, well if I have some problems I'll check. I miss something for the package but I don't find also googling what it can be...
this is probably an udev issue: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Udev#Mixed_Up_Devices.2C_Sound.2FNetwork...
Yes thank that should be fixed now.
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 04:56:33PM +0200, Andrea Crotti wrote:
Since I've read somewhere that is not a good measure, how do I know for sure if 3d is activated or not?
glxinfo |grep "^direct rendering: "
Alessandro Doro <ordo.ad@gmail.com> writes:
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 04:56:33PM +0200, Andrea Crotti wrote:
Since I've read somewhere that is not a good measure, how do I know for sure if 3d is activated or not?
glxinfo |grep "^direct rendering: "
I already looked at that and I get "Yes"! But I can't believe it's so crappy to almost stop in tuxkart and sometimes being slow in opengl screensavers...
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:30:59 +0200 Andrea Crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote:
Alessandro Doro <ordo.ad@gmail.com> writes:
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 04:56:33PM +0200, Andrea Crotti wrote:
Since I've read somewhere that is not a good measure, how do I know for sure if 3d is activated or not?
glxinfo |grep "^direct rendering: "
I already looked at that and I get "Yes"! But I can't believe it's so crappy to almost stop in tuxkart and sometimes being slow in opengl screensavers...
direct rendering is always "Yes" these days, because mesa includes a software render which makes you CPU do all the work. try: glxinfo | grep "^OpenGL" here's what I get on my Intel Laptop: OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM GEM 20100328 2010Q1 x86/MMX/SSE2 OpenGL version string: 1.4 Mesa 7.8.2 and here's what you SHOULDN'T get (from a VM with cirrus-vga): jinks@edultsp:~$ glxinfo | grep direct direct rendering: Yes jinks@edultsp:~$ glxinfo | grep OpenGL OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.7.1 OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20 (Note, that it still supports direct rendering, but uses the Software Rasterizer.)
Alexander Duscheleit <jinks@archlinux.us> writes:
direct rendering is always "Yes" these days, because mesa includes a software render which makes you CPU do all the work.
try: glxinfo | grep "^OpenGL"
here's what I get on my Intel Laptop: OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM GEM 20100328 2010Q1 x86/MMX/SSE2 OpenGL version string: 1.4 Mesa 7.8.2
and here's what you SHOULDN'T get (from a VM with cirrus-vga): jinks@edultsp:~$ glxinfo | grep direct direct rendering: Yes
jinks@edultsp:~$ glxinfo | grep OpenGL OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.7.1 OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20
(Note, that it still supports direct rendering, but uses the Software Rasterizer.)
So then yes it doesn't work as expected. Following the guide online in theory it should work also with hal and dbus running (with intel-dri). Maybe I'll try a xorg.conf to see if it works or not, if anyone has one working with 3D for a dell mini it would be great... Thanks
On 18 August 2010 19:25, Andrea Crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> wrote:
Alexander Duscheleit <jinks@archlinux.us> writes:
direct rendering is always "Yes" these days, because mesa includes a software render which makes you CPU do all the work.
try: glxinfo | grep "^OpenGL"
here's what I get on my Intel Laptop: OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, Inc OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM GEM 20100328 2010Q1 x86/MMX/SSE2 OpenGL version string: 1.4 Mesa 7.8.2
and here's what you SHOULDN'T get (from a VM with cirrus-vga): jinks@edultsp:~$ glxinfo | grep direct direct rendering: Yes
jinks@edultsp:~$ glxinfo | grep OpenGL OpenGL vendor string: Mesa Project OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.7.1 OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20
(Note, that it still supports direct rendering, but uses the Software Rasterizer.)
So then yes it doesn't work as expected. Following the guide online in theory it should work also with hal and dbus running (with intel-dri).
Maybe I'll try a xorg.conf to see if it works or not, if anyone has one working with 3D for a dell mini it would be great... Thanks
I got a hold of the AspireOne. Plugged in my Arch-on-a-Stick and BAM! 3D is DEAD. Or, dying. I'm giving up on this as a regression of intel/mesa, because some months ago this same netbook played UrbanTerror on Ubuntu Netbook Remix. I can't test it on that again, because I see that the owner has rerwritten the disk with Windows 7. God bless the Linux Intel GFX developers. -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD
Ray Rashif <schivmeister@gmail.com> writes:
I got a hold of the AspireOne. Plugged in my Arch-on-a-Stick and BAM!
3D is DEAD. Or, dying.
I'm giving up on this as a regression of intel/mesa, because some months ago this same netbook played UrbanTerror on Ubuntu Netbook Remix. I can't test it on that again, because I see that the owner has rerwritten the disk with Windows 7.
God bless the Linux Intel GFX developers.
-- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD
I found this page which describes exactly my machine http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Dell_Inspiron_Mini_10_(1010)#Audio now I'm compiling the psb driver, reading from what they say I should reach an amazing resolution (I thought 1024x800 was the max) and maybe the 3d will work :)
Andrea Crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> writes:
Ray Rashif <schivmeister@gmail.com> writes:
I got a hold of the AspireOne. Plugged in my Arch-on-a-Stick and BAM!
3D is DEAD. Or, dying.
I'm giving up on this as a regression of intel/mesa, because some months ago this same netbook played UrbanTerror on Ubuntu Netbook Remix. I can't test it on that again, because I see that the owner has rerwritten the disk with Windows 7.
God bless the Linux Intel GFX developers.
-- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD
I found this page which describes exactly my machine http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Dell_Inspiron_Mini_10_(1010)#Audio now I'm compiling the psb driver, reading from what they say I should reach an amazing resolution (I thought 1024x800 was the max) and maybe the 3d will work :)
Ok great, now after modprobe psb the framebuffer goes to an amazing resolution (the native I guess). But starting X is veryy bad still, maybe I have to tell to Xorg to load the psb driver...
Andrea Crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> writes:
Ok great, now after modprobe psb the framebuffer goes to an amazing resolution (the native I guess). But starting X is veryy bad still, maybe I have to tell to Xorg to load the psb driver...
Very exciting we're almost there, I added this to xorg.conf --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Section "Device" Identifier "Card0" Driver "psb" Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" Option "DRI" "on" #Option "IgnoreACPI" "yes" Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy" VendorName "Intel Corporation" BoardName "System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) Graphics Controller" BusID "PCI:0:2:0" EndSection --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- And now I get a strange 1024x576, but at least it became usable again.ò Now I try to set explicitly the resolutions so let's see if it'll finally work.
Not done yet, even adding the right modes to the xorg.conf I can always only see the 1024x576 from xrandr. But another bad news, some kernel errors (I guess conflicts between psb and reiserfs) don't let me start networkmanager anymore, which is a bad thing...
Andrea Crotti <andrea.crotti.0@gmail.com> writes:
Not done yet, even adding the right modes to the xorg.conf I can always only see the 1024x576 from xrandr.
But another bad news, some kernel errors (I guess conflicts between psb and reiserfs) don't let me start networkmanager anymore, which is a bad thing...
What the hell is really impossible to get it working.... Now I'm in the strange situation where the terminals look great, while X looks crappier than before. It would be even better at 800x600 then this. Now I can't even go back, if I put !psb in MODULES then it's not loaded automatically, but when starting X it will be loaded anyway... Argh only few hours left then no more internet and I'll bring this in vacation, anyone has been able to use the psb driver on gma500?
participants (6)
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Alessandro Doro
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Alexander Duscheleit
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Andrea Crotti
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didier gaumet
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JM
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Ray Rashif