On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:

Allan McRae schrieb:

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And there is/was a bug about text in youtube (or some other flash site) no showing without it being installed.

Ah, that is why this is happening :)

Anyway, as I mentioned before, the package does not qualify to Arch's packaging standards, so unless we can package it properly, we move it to AUR!

If the packaging problem is simply the files being installed in /tmp, that can be easily fixed. Instead of installing the files in /tmp, just install them somewhere else (/usr/share/ttf-ms-fonts/ ?) where they won't be deleted.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:

Eric Bélanger schrieb:

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If the packaging problem is simply  the files being  installed in /tmp, that can be easily fixed. Instead of installing the files in /tmp, just install them somewhere else (/usr/share/ttf-ms-fonts/ ?) where they won't be deleted.

The problem is that files are installed at run-time and cannot be tracked by pacman. That is a no-go for packages!

We've allowed it in the past when the package has been of significance. Like nvidia and fglrx before those were rewritten. Though I have all the fonts in my own ~/.fonts, I'd prefer to keep the package in the repos. Installation was at 70% in pkgstats. James

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:55 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:

James Rayner schrieb:

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We've allowed it in the past when the package has been of significance. Like nvidia and fglrx before those were rewritten.

And we've fixed them and they're not broken any more.

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Though I have all the fonts in my own ~/.fonts, I'd prefer to keep the package in the repos. Installation was at 70% in pkgstats.

Since when are we concerned by that? Our philosophy is to create the distro in a clean way, not to do weird hacks just to satisfy our users. Our userbase is very comfortable with the AUR and they have always installed missing and problematic applications from there. ttf-ms-fonts is no different, it is in the AUR (with a clean package, http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=5418).

I see both sides here... I dunno what to do. On one hand, the package sucks. But on the other hand, we've always tried to keep useful things around, despite non-free status and the like. I think this package may be a "necessary evil"

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I'd like to point out that ttf-liberation from [community] seems to be fully capable of replacing ttf-ms-fonts, at least it works well with flash (eg youtube) so I think ttf-ms-fonts are not so necessary.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:

Lukáš Jirkovský schrieb:

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I'd like to point out that ttf-liberation from [community] seems to be fully capable of replacing ttf-ms-fonts, at least it works well with flash (eg youtube) so I think ttf-ms-fonts are not so necessary.

WOW! That is really great, thank you so much for that tip.

After this thread, I uninstalled ttf-ms-fonts and have been running without them for a few days. Fonts seem smaller by default, though, and password characters are a little weird (black circle instead of a *), but otherwise I noticed little difference. I did, though, install ttf-liberation