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Ralf Madorf

26 Jan 2012 26 Jan '12

6:53 a.m.

Hi :) I wonder if warnings like # pacman -Syu warning: qtractor: local (0.5.3.15-2684) is newer than community (0.5.3-1) warning: rtirq: local (20111007-1) is newer than archaudio-preview (20090920-1) are useful? Once there will be more packages, it will become uncomfortable to read more important output. 2 Cents, Ralf

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Karol Blazewicz

26 Jan 26 Jan

7:01 a.m.

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Ralf Madorf wrote:

I wonder if warnings like are useful? Once there will be more packages, it will become uncomfortable to read more important output.

This is nothing new, pacman 3 had these too. You should read the whole output anyway because there's no telling where some important things might be.

Stefan Wilkens

7:02 a.m.

2012/1/25 Ralf Madorf :

Hi :)

I wonder if warnings like

# pacman -Syu warning: qtractor: local (0.5.3.15-2684) is newer than community (0.5.3-1) warning: rtirq: local (20111007-1) is newer than archaudio-preview (20090920-1)

are useful? Once there will be more packages, it will become uncomfortable to read more important output.

2 Cents,

Ralf

This is a pretty significant warning though, that -Syu might lead to a library upgrade that breaks the apparently newer than in repo version of your application or other unwanted situations. Something is non-standard, pacman is warning you of this. Having said that, I'd like to add that cherry-picking updates is generally a bad idea. You should stick to repository updates unless you have a very good reason to cherry pick.

Ralf Madorf

7:16 a.m.

On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 00:02 +0100, Stefan Wilkens wrote:

2012/1/25 Ralf Madorf :

...
Hi :)

I wonder if warnings like

# pacman -Syu warning: qtractor: local (0.5.3.15-2684) is newer than community (0.5.3-1) warning: rtirq: local (20111007-1) is newer than archaudio-preview (20090920-1)

are useful? Once there will be more packages, it will become uncomfortable to read more important output.

2 Cents,

Ralf

This is a pretty significant warning though, that -Syu might lead to a library upgrade that breaks the apparently newer than in repo version of your application or other unwanted situations. Something is non-standard, pacman is warning you of this.

Having said that, I'd like to add that cherry-picking updates is generally a bad idea. You should stick to repository updates unless you have a very good reason to cherry pick.

rtirq is outdated and doesn't work with the AUR's kernel-rt, it's from the archstudio repo that is optimized for Intel Core {i3,i5,i7} CPU, not important for this script, but regarding to other software I guess my Athlon dual-core shouldn't use this repo Sometimes I'm a Qtractor svn tester and at the moment I do the German translation for Qtractor from svn, so I build it from svn. For audio there could be many reasons to build current versions, a while ago I had to build ALSA to get my RME PCIe card work, I had to build Jack2, to get less MIDI jitter etc.. So for me there are very good reasons. I suspect that upgrades will break a newer software version than that from the repositories very often ;), usually older libs tend to cause issues. IMO this output doesn't make much sense. Regards, Ralf

Ralf Madorf

7:19 a.m.

On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 00:16 +0100, Ralf Madorf wrote:

On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 00:02 +0100, Stefan Wilkens wrote:

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2012/1/25 Ralf Madorf :

...
Hi :)

I wonder if warnings like

# pacman -Syu warning: qtractor: local (0.5.3.15-2684) is newer than community (0.5.3-1) warning: rtirq: local (20111007-1) is newer than archaudio-preview (20090920-1)

are useful? Once there will be more packages, it will become uncomfortable to read more important output.

2 Cents,

Ralf

This is a pretty significant warning though, that -Syu might lead to a library upgrade that breaks the apparently newer than in repo version of your application or other unwanted situations. Something is non-standard, pacman is warning you of this.

Having said that, I'd like to add that cherry-picking updates is generally a bad idea. You should stick to repository updates unless you have a very good reason to cherry pick.

rtirq is outdated and doesn't work with the AUR's kernel-rt, it's from the archstudio repo that is optimized for Intel Core {i3,i5,i7} CPU, not important for this script, but regarding to other software I guess my Athlon dual-core shouldn't use this repo

Sometimes I'm a Qtractor svn tester and at the moment I do the German translation for Qtractor from svn, so I build it from svn.

For audio there could be many reasons to build current versions, a while ago I had to build ALSA to get my RME PCIe card work, I had to build Jack2, to get less MIDI jitter etc..

So for me there are very good reasons. I suspect that upgrades will ^^^^ won't

break a newer software version than that from the repositories very often ;), usually older libs tend to cause issues.

IMO this output doesn't make much sense.

Regards,

Ralf

Leonid Isaev

7:09 a.m.

On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:53:57 +0100 Ralf Madorf wrote:

Hi :)

I wonder if warnings like

# pacman -Syu warning: qtractor: local (0.5.3.15-2684) is newer than community (0.5.3-1) warning: rtirq: local (20111007-1) is newer than archaudio-preview (20090920-1)

are useful? Once there will be more packages, it will become uncomfortable to read more important output.

2 Cents,

Ralf

Well, usually people complain that pacman doesn't show enough info... Have you tried the -q options? -- Leonid Isaev GnuPG key ID: 164B5A6D Key fingerprint: C0DF 20D0 C075 C3F1 E1BE 775A A7AE F6CB 164B 5A6D

Ralf Madorf

7:29 a.m.

On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 17:09 -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote:

Well, usually people complain that pacman doesn't show enough info... Have you tried the -q options?

No I didn't. # pacman -Syup at the moment only will remove the unwanted output. Thank you, Ralf

Karol Blazewicz

7:43 a.m.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 12:29 AM, Ralf Madorf wrote:

# pacman -Syup

at the moment only will remove the unwanted output.

Try hacking the source code: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=123911

Ralf Madorf

7:55 a.m.

On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 00:43 +0100, Karol Blazewicz wrote:

Try hacking the source code: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=123911

:)

Ralf Madorf

7:47 a.m.

On Thu, 2012-01-26 at 00:29 +0100, Ralf Madorf wrote:

On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 17:09 -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote:

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Well, usually people complain that pacman doesn't show enough info... Have you tried the -q options?

No I didn't.

# pacman -Syup

at the moment only will remove the unwanted output.

Thank you,

Ralf

I was mistaken. Unfortunately the p option already suppress "there is nothing to do" too.

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