On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 6:45 AM Geo Kozey via arch-general wrote:

There are many tools to configure zram available, one is even in Arch Linux repos: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/any/systemd-swap/

Right. And typically they don't co-exist, they expect they're the only one. So the first one that runs, works. Additional ones fail with confusing error messages - even if it's a non-fatal failure, it's kinda messy for users. I think it's inherently valuable for users to have a consistent interface for configuring something as basic as swap. Including swap on ZRAM. Is it really a feature that the user needs to know about specific implementations? As a generator, rather than a script, there's quite a bit of code reuse. It uses existing facilities in systemd to load the zram kernel module, to mkswap, and to swapon. It's much lighter weight than the existing alternatives, and is suitable for always including it in an installation by default, just like the existing swap units, rather than expecting users to manually install a package. Also, there's a better chance systemd/zram-generator can be adopted across distributions, which improves user experience. -- Chris Murphy

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 4:03 AM Neven Sajko via arch-general wrote:

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... installed by default ...

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... Is it really a feature that the user needs to know about specific implementations?

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... always including it in an installation by default, just like the existing swap units, rather than expecting users to manually install a package.

You obviously know nothing about Archlinux,

I have done only a couple of incidental installations for general knowledge, but do have a Raspberry Pi running Arch. Is it really possible to know nothing about Archlinux in such a case?

maybe try researching on our Wiki before trying to force

It's presented as an idea. Seeing as I am such a moron, how do you suppose I'm going to go about forcing anything onto Arch Linux?

some experimental Systemd/Rust garbage on the distribution.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Code_of_conduct I consider your response: 1. Disrespectful to me. 2. Disrespectful to other projects. 3. Trolling, because all three things I quote above must be hyperbole, they are difficult to take seriously. They are that ridiculous and unwarranted. Is this sort response representative of the Arch Linux community? Relative newcomers, and first time posters, should expect this kind of hostility? I think it's embarrassing. -- Chris Murphy

Hi Chris,

I consider your response: 1. Disrespectful to me.

I agree.

Is this sort response representative of the Arch Linux community?

A minority seem to think OpenBSD's, perhaps inaccurate, reputation is a target.

Relative newcomers, and first time posters, should expect this kind of hostility? I think it's embarrassing.

The majority of us think that one can write a polite reply yet still be just terse enough, emphatic where necessary, and forceful if required. Or just helpful and point the OP at material to study before returning for more assistance. Your approach didn't deserve that tone of reply. AFAICS, Neven Sajko doesn't hold any official role within Arch Linux. He, like me, writes on this mailing list, opens bugs, etc. So give the rest of us a chance. :-) -- Cheers, Ralph.