[arch-general] Linux 3.9.2-1-ARCH cures blank screen
The blank screen I first reported in January with Linux-3.7.3-1-i686 seems to have been cured by the latest update to Linux-3.9.2-1-i686 (and/or other updates that have happened at the same time). (Using the nouveau graphics driver). But the desktop and mouse settings in XFCe4 aren't all working. -- -- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~
On Mon, 13 May 2013 00:53:17 +0200, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
The blank screen I first reported in January with Linux-3.7.3-1-i686 seems to have been cured by the latest update to Linux-3.9.2-1-i686 (and/or other updates that have happened at the same time). (Using the nouveau graphics driver).
But the desktop and mouse settings in XFCe4 aren't all working.
Are you sure that this is caused by the kernel and/or graphics driver? I'm a Xfce only user for a long time and experience it as a PITA. If I would know another DE, that would be similar near to the wanted work flow and that would be less odd, I would switch the DE. It's "normal" that lot of options are broken and reporting them to upstream as a bug, only does lead to flame. However, what exactly doesn't work? The default buttons and wheel settings should work as expected. Even while there's lot of very bad code for desktop stuff, a lot of, if not all default settings should work as expected. Customized settings at least often need to be manually restored after package updates. The latest updates for Xfce on Arch where annoying, I e.g. had to switch from a .svg to a .png for the menu icon, because the .svg I used for a long time, can't be used anymore. But there are also very serious issues, I for example had to remove gvfs, because it does make external drives spin down and up again and again. The menu is a complete mess and it can't be fixed with Alacarte or other menu editors, it only can be done without such a tool. FWIW, I'm using the open source ATI and the kernel-rt from AUR on 64 bit architecture. Sometimes I use a NVIDIA on the same machine and experienced the nouveau driver as better working, unfortunately the graphics can have impact to real-time audio abilities so I sometimes prefer to use an ATI.
Am 13.05.2013 08:15, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
It's "normal" that lot of options are broken and reporting them to upstream as a bug, only does lead to flame.
Do you have any examples? -- xmpp bjo@schafweide.org bjo.nord-west.org | nord-west.org | freifunk-ol.de
On 05/13/13 08:15, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 13 May 2013 00:53:17 +0200, Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
The blank screen I first reported in January with Linux-3.7.3-1-i686 seems to have been cured by the latest update to Linux-3.9.2-1-i686 (and/or other updates that have happened at the same time). (Using the nouveau graphics driver).
But the desktop and mouse settings in XFCe4 aren't all working.
Are you sure that this is caused by the kernel and/or graphics driver? I'm a Xfce only user for a long time and experience it as a PITA. If I would know another DE, that would be similar near to the wanted work flow and that would be less odd, I would switch the DE.
It's "normal" that lot of options are broken and reporting them to upstream as a bug, only does lead to flame.
However, what exactly doesn't work? The default buttons and wheel settings should work as expected. Even while there's lot of very bad code for desktop stuff, a lot of, if not all default settings should work as expected. Customized settings at least often need to be manually restored after package updates.
The latest updates for Xfce on Arch where annoying, I e.g. had to switch from a .svg to a .png for the menu icon, because the .svg I used for a long time, can't be used anymore. But there are also very serious issues, I for example had to remove gvfs, because it does make external drives spin down and up again and again. The menu is a complete mess and it can't be fixed with Alacarte or other menu editors, it only can be done without such a tool.
FWIW, I'm using the open source ATI and the kernel-rt from AUR on 64 bit architecture. Sometimes I use a NVIDIA on the same machine and experienced the nouveau driver as better working, unfortunately the graphics can have impact to real-time audio abilities so I sometimes prefer to use an ATI.
I've got a mobility radeon (rv620) chip and I've had a ton of problems with xfce. I was not using any login manager and xfce was always crashing the X session and getting me to tty, it was horrible (far from stable IMHO). @Whiskers maybe custom /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ profiles could help you with mouse/keyboard issues, i have to do it once in a chromium OS laptop and it solved the issues just fine. I felt more comfortable with lxde/openbox i found it more solid than xfce.
On 13-05-2013 08:30, Joaquin Villanova wrote:
I've got a mobility radeon (rv620) chip and I've had a ton of problems with xfce. I was not using any login manager and xfce was always crashing the X session and getting me to tty, it was horrible (far from stable IMHO).
That has been a problem for a long time and people recurrently ask how to solve it. Uncheck "Save session for future logins" at the logout menu, then delete everything inside ~/.config/xfce4-session and the problem should go away. -- Mauro Santos
Am 13.05.2013 11:41, schrieb Mauro Santos:
That has been a problem for a long time and people recurrently ask how to solve it.
Uncheck "Save session for future logins" at the logout menu, then delete everything inside ~/.config/xfce4-session and the problem should go away.
So it seems it is xfce4-session related and not related to the xorg-driver. -- xmpp bjo@schafweide.org bjo.nord-west.org | nord-west.org | freifunk-ol.de
On Mon, 13 May 2013 10:41:57 +0100 Mauro Santos <registo.mailling@gmail.com> wrote:
On 13-05-2013 08:30, Joaquin Villanova wrote:
I've got a mobility radeon (rv620) chip and I've had a ton of problems with xfce. I was not using any login manager and xfce was always crashing the X session and getting me to tty, it was horrible (far from stable IMHO).
That has been a problem for a long time and people recurrently ask how to solve it.
XFCe has been pretty stable for me; I don't think it has ever crashed, although there have been a few passing quirks.
Uncheck "Save session for future logins" at the logout menu, then delete everything inside ~/.config/xfce4-session and the problem should go away.
That doesn't restore my desktop or mouse-button settings, nor does deleting them and re-making them. The pointer and keyboard settings are still working, fortunately! -- -- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~
On Mon, 13 May 2013 09:30:49 +0200 Joaquin Villanova <joaquin.villanova.romero@alumnos.upm.es> wrote: [...]
@Whiskers maybe custom /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ profiles could help you with mouse/keyboard issues, i have to do it once in a chromium OS laptop and it solved the issues just fine. I felt more comfortable with lxde/openbox i found it more solid than xfce.
I have been pondering a change in window manager and desktop; I'll look at that combination - I like things uncluttered :)) -- -- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~
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Bjoern Franke
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Ralf Mardorf
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