On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no> wrote:

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Stéphane Gaudreault <stephane@archlinux.org> wrote:

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(1) and (2) could be done after the missing unit files rebuild is over. They should probably be announced at the same time as I expect that some users will prefer a fresh install instead of "upgrading". (3) Maybe this could be done in preparation of the gnome 3.6.0 release scheduled at the end of September.

That would be nice, if we are ready by then. Let's see what sorts of problems crop up and how fast we are at adding service files.

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(4) There is no rush to do that, but users need to know that it _will_ happen.

I think the important point is that (3) will happen. I.e., that "fancy" stuff will certainly stop working without systemd at some point (soon). The eventual fate of initscripts we could get back to (no promises made in either direction). Though, we should make it very clear that people _should_ prepare for its eventual demise. By that I mean, have a look at systemd at some point, and if it does not work for you, report a bug so it can be fixed in good time before initscripts is dropped.

You expect too much from users. *Some* will prepare, most will not. If systemd has problems, you are certainly going to hear users complaining (and loudly). You can already see obvious problems in arch-general, when only a fraction of users are testing systemd, so chances are this going to happen when most are forced/guided to switch. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras