[arch-general] GNOME Software: Status and integrable?
Hi, now that GNOME 3.12 has been released and probably will hit the repos in the next couple of days/weeks, I'm wondering what the current status of "Software" is [1]? This is an application similar to an app store in the mobile world. I couldn't find it in the repos, and I wouldn't expect it to even work without some patching, because obviously it would have to be integrated into the packet management system. The only reference I could find in regards to Arch Linux was a forum thread from last year [2], which basically ended up in a mess without any real answers. On the other hand I may have missed it, because GNOME is really good in using generic terms like "Software" and "Web" to name their applications, which are not great to search for :'(. I'm not interested in another flame war about GNOME, when it hits the repos and things like that. I just want to know whether this particular application is available/works and if not what the technical hurdles would be to make it work and whether it is feasible to get it working in the near term. Arguably users of Arch Linux are expected to know how to use use the command line (including pacman) and I'm fine with that, but I wouldn't mind to be able to browse an app store, just for the fun of it ;). Best regards, Karol Babioch [1]: https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Software [2]: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=170223
On 03/26/2014 01:26 AM, Karol Babioch wrote:
Hi,
now that GNOME 3.12 has been released and probably will hit the repos in the next couple of days/weeks, I'm wondering what the current status of "Software" is [1]? This is an application similar to an app store in the mobile world.
I couldn't find it in the repos, and I wouldn't expect it to even work without some patching, because obviously it would have to be integrated into the packet management system. The only reference I could find in regards to Arch Linux was a forum thread from last year [2], which basically ended up in a mess without any real answers.
On the other hand I may have missed it, because GNOME is really good in using generic terms like "Software" and "Web" to name their applications, which are not great to search for :'(.
I'm not interested in another flame war about GNOME, when it hits the repos and things like that. I just want to know whether this particular application is available/works and if not what the technical hurdles would be to make it work and whether it is feasible to get it working in the near term. Arguably users of Arch Linux are expected to know how to use use the command line (including pacman) and I'm fine with that, but I wouldn't mind to be able to browse an app store, just for the fun of it ;).
Best regards, Karol Babioch
[1]: https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Software [2]: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=170223
Not that I am much aware of the state of this, but from what I've seen, the package requires packagekit. Archlinux packagekit package is fairly old and I doubt that it can be used by gnome-software. There was a thread on one of archlinux mailing lists regarding packagekit not so long ago, but even after that thread, packagekit still remained at version 0.7 which was released 2 years ago, while 0.8 (maybe even 0.9) is the latest available version. -- Note: My last name is not Krejzi.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 03/25/2014 08:43 PM, Armin K. wrote:
On 03/26/2014 01:26 AM, Karol Babioch wrote:
Hi,
now that GNOME 3.12 has been released and probably will hit the repos in the next couple of days/weeks, I'm wondering what the current status of "Software" is [1]? This is an application similar to an app store in the mobile world.
I couldn't find it in the repos, and I wouldn't expect it to even work without some patching, because obviously it would have to be integrated into the packet management system. The only reference I could find in regards to Arch Linux was a forum thread from last year [2], which basically ended up in a mess without any real answers.
On the other hand I may have missed it, because GNOME is really good in using generic terms like "Software" and "Web" to name their applications, which are not great to search for :'(.
I'm not interested in another flame war about GNOME, when it hits the repos and things like that. I just want to know whether this particular application is available/works and if not what the technical hurdles would be to make it work and whether it is feasible to get it working in the near term. Arguably users of Arch Linux are expected to know how to use use the command line (including pacman) and I'm fine with that, but I wouldn't mind to be able to browse an app store, just for the fun of it ;).
Best regards, Karol Babioch
[1]: https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Software [2]: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=170223
Not that I am much aware of the state of this, but from what I've seen, the package requires packagekit. Archlinux packagekit package is fairly old and I doubt that it can be used by gnome-software. There was a thread on one of archlinux mailing lists regarding packagekit not so long ago, but even after that thread, packagekit still remained at version 0.7 which was released 2 years ago, while 0.8 (maybe even 0.9) is the latest available version.
Salutations, I can't find that thread, can you point me to it? Since Arch is bleeding edge, it's a bit strange for a package to be that out of date. Regards, Mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlMyd5oACgkQZ/Z80n6+J/aosQD+PXKMQn50IbZN3z9K3hngxLnM 9Fy8K+J0vahD1D+VXPEA/3eMZH4g0Us8td7KL8FjBXlhorgXhn/TAZ28uo56SJQ/ =9EuZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 26/03/14 02:45 AM, Mark Lee wrote:
On 03/25/2014 08:43 PM, Armin K. wrote:
On 03/26/2014 01:26 AM, Karol Babioch wrote:
Hi,
now that GNOME 3.12 has been released and probably will hit the repos in the next couple of days/weeks, I'm wondering what the current status of "Software" is [1]? This is an application similar to an app store in the mobile world.
I couldn't find it in the repos, and I wouldn't expect it to even work without some patching, because obviously it would have to be integrated into the packet management system. The only reference I could find in regards to Arch Linux was a forum thread from last year [2], which basically ended up in a mess without any real answers.
On the other hand I may have missed it, because GNOME is really good in using generic terms like "Software" and "Web" to name their applications, which are not great to search for :'(.
I'm not interested in another flame war about GNOME, when it hits the repos and things like that. I just want to know whether this particular application is available/works and if not what the technical hurdles would be to make it work and whether it is feasible to get it working in the near term. Arguably users of Arch Linux are expected to know how to use use the command line (including pacman) and I'm fine with that, but I wouldn't mind to be able to browse an app store, just for the fun of it ;).
Best regards, Karol Babioch
[1]: https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Software [2]: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=170223
Not that I am much aware of the state of this, but from what I've seen, the package requires packagekit. Archlinux packagekit package is fairly old and I doubt that it can be used by gnome-software. There was a thread on one of archlinux mailing lists regarding packagekit not so long ago, but even after that thread, packagekit still remained at version 0.7 which was released 2 years ago, while 0.8 (maybe even 0.9) is the latest available version.
Salutations,
I can't find that thread, can you point me to it? Since Arch is bleeding edge, it's a bit strange for a package to be that out of date.
Regards, Mark
You're welcome to add a libalpm backend to a newer version of PackageKit if you think it's worth your time.
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 01:43:57AM +0100, Armin K. wrote:
On 03/26/2014 01:26 AM, Karol Babioch wrote:
Hi,
now that GNOME 3.12 has been released and probably will hit the repos in the next couple of days/weeks, I'm wondering what the current status of "Software" is [1]? This is an application similar to an app store in the mobile world.
I couldn't find it in the repos, and I wouldn't expect it to even work without some patching, because obviously it would have to be integrated into the packet management system. The only reference I could find in regards to Arch Linux was a forum thread from last year [2], which basically ended up in a mess without any real answers.
On the other hand I may have missed it, because GNOME is really good in using generic terms like "Software" and "Web" to name their applications, which are not great to search for :'(.
I'm not interested in another flame war about GNOME, when it hits the repos and things like that. I just want to know whether this particular application is available/works and if not what the technical hurdles would be to make it work and whether it is feasible to get it working in the near term. Arguably users of Arch Linux are expected to know how to use use the command line (including pacman) and I'm fine with that, but I wouldn't mind to be able to browse an app store, just for the fun of it ;).
Best regards, Karol Babioch
[1]: https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Software [2]: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=170223
Not that I am much aware of the state of this, but from what I've seen, the package requires packagekit. Archlinux packagekit package is fairly old and I doubt that it can be used by gnome-software. There was a thread on one of archlinux mailing lists regarding packagekit not so long ago, but even after that thread, packagekit still remained at version 0.7 which was released 2 years ago, while 0.8 (maybe even 0.9) is the latest available version.
-- Note: My last name is not Krejzi.
Note on packagekit: The guys at Antergos started the port of the alpm backend to 0.8 but it seems it's a lot more work than first anticipated. Currently I don't have sufficient time to digg into this myself to get our alpm backend on par with the latest packagekit again. -- Ike
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Karol Babioch <karol@babioch.de> wrote:
Hi,
now that GNOME 3.12 has been released and probably will hit the repos in the next couple of days/weeks, I'm wondering what the current status of "Software" is [1]? This is an application similar to an app store in the mobile world.
I couldn't find it in the repos, and I wouldn't expect it to even work without some patching, because obviously it would have to be integrated into the packet management system. The only reference I could find in regards to Arch Linux was a forum thread from last year [2], which basically ended up in a mess without any real answers.
It is correct that GNOME Software uses PackageKit. As can be seen on the feature matrix[1], libalpm support (which is upstream, so no patching), while a little spotty, is fairly decent. I can't back this up with code or documentation, but from my very cursory testing, the PackageKit backend appears to do the right thing with regards to updates (it doesn't sync the database). You may also be interested in a recent thread which was started on the GNOME desktop-devel-list list[2]. [1]: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/PackageKit/pk-matrix.html [2]: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2014-March/msg00107.html
On the other hand I may have missed it, because GNOME is really good in using generic terms like "Software" and "Web" to name their applications, which are not great to search for :'(. You are looking for the gnome-packagekit package.
I'm not interested in another flame war about GNOME, when it hits the repos and things like that. I just want to know whether this particular application is available/works and if not what the technical hurdles would be to make it work and whether it is feasible to get it working in the near term. Arguably users of Arch Linux are expected to know how to use use the command line (including pacman) and I'm fine with that, but I wouldn't mind to be able to browse an app store, just for the fun of it ;).
Best regards, Karol Babioch
[1]: https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Software [2]: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=170223
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Alex Jordan
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Armin K.
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Daniel Micay
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Ike Devolder
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Karol Babioch
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Mark Lee