[arch-general] Mailing list rename
Hey guys, You may have noticed a new address up there in the From line (unless you got this via the announce list) The main mailing list has been renamed, from "arch" to "arch-general", and additionally "tur-users" has been renamed to "aur-general". The reason? The naming was unclear, especially on the tur-users list. So, please try to use this address when posting to the list (the old address will work fine for now, but I can't predict how long). Additionally, I have kept archive symlinks so that the following two are the same: http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/ http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch/ Sorry for all of you that have to update your mail filter rules, but it's better this way - I promise 8) Thanks, Aaron
On Wednesday 28 November 2007, Aaron Griffin wrote:
Sorry for all of you that have to update your mail filter rules, but it's better this way - I promise 8)
You got me there! I recieved dozens of mail on my inbox :P
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:35:18PM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:
The main mailing list has been renamed, from "arch" to "arch-general",
Would it be possible to remove the [arch-general] prefix from the subject line? It seems pretty useless to me since there are a lot of other headers on which a filter can be based on. The same goes for the automatic signature. One gets the following headers: List-Id: General Discusson about Arch Linux <arch-general.archlinux.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-general>, <mailto:arch-general-request@archlinux.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general> List-Post: <mailto:arch-general@archlinux.org> List-Help: <mailto:arch-general-request@archlinux.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-general>, <mailto:arch-general-request@archlinux.org?subject=subscribe> with every mail which has been sent to the list. Thanks, Petar
Petar Bogdanovic wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:35:18PM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:
The main mailing list has been renamed, from "arch" to "arch-general",
Would it be possible to remove the [arch-general] prefix from the subject line? It seems pretty useless to me since there are a lot of other headers on which a filter can be based on. The same goes for the automatic signature. One gets the following headers: <snip>
with every mail which has been sent to the list.
Thanks,
Petar
-1 from me. I filter all Arch mailing lists I subscribe to into one folder. This way I can see where the message came from what I can reply to. Cheers, Allan
On Nov 27, 2007 5:32 PM, Allan McRae <mcrae_allan@hotmail.com> wrote:
-1 from me. I filter all Arch mailing lists I subscribe to into one folder. This way I can see where the message came from what I can reply to.
I second that! I filter all linux mailing lists into one folder and like that it shows which list is which. I hope this is retained. Scott
On Wednesday 28 November 2007, Petar Bogdanovic wrote:
Would it be possible to remove the [arch-general] prefix from the subject line?
Actually, i would like to keep that because gmail filters only works by subject if I'm not wrong. Damnshock
Actually, i would like to keep that because gmail filters only works by subject if I'm not wrong.
Gmail can also filter by e-mail address! That's how I use it. Cesar
On Nov 27, 2007 6:52 PM, Scott Horowitz <stonecrest@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2007 5:32 PM, Allan McRae <mcrae_allan@hotmail.com> wrote:
-1 from me. I filter all Arch mailing lists I subscribe to into one folder. This way I can see where the message came from what I can reply to.
I second that! I filter all linux mailing lists into one folder and like that it shows which list is which. I hope this is retained.
I don't plan on doing away with it. It's been there for ages and is common on... well every mailing list I've been subscribed to. On Nov 27, 2007 6:55 PM, Cesar G. Miguel <cesargm@ime.usp.br> wrote:
Actually, i would like to keep that because gmail filters only works by subject if I'm not wrong.
Gmail can also filter by e-mail address! That's how I use it.
Yeah, just keep in mind that to filter these lists you need to filter on the To address, not the From. These mails are "To: arch-general@archlinux.org", not from the list. They are From the poster.
On Nov 27, 2007 6:52 PM, Scott Horowitz <stonecrest@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 27, 2007 5:32 PM, Allan McRae <mcrae_allan@hotmail.com> wrote:
-1 from me. I filter all Arch mailing lists I subscribe to into one folder. This way I can see where the message came from what I can reply to.
I second that! I filter all linux mailing lists into one folder and like that it shows which list is which. I hope this is retained.
I don't plan on doing away with it. It's been there for ages and is common on... well every mailing list I've been subscribed to.
On Nov 27, 2007 6:55 PM, Cesar G. Miguel <cesargm@ime.usp.br> wrote:
Actually, i would like to keep that because gmail filters only works by subject if I'm not wrong.
Gmail can also filter by e-mail address! That's how I use it.
Yeah, just keep in mind that to filter these lists you need to filter on the To address, not the From. These mails are "To: arch-general@archlinux.org", not from the list. They are From the poster.
Or you can filter on the Sender address. eg: "Sender: arch-general-bounces@archlinux.org"
Aaron Griffin wrote:
Yeah, just keep in mind that to filter these lists you need to filter on the To address, not the From. These mails are "To: arch-general@archlinux.org", not from the list. They are From the poster.
Filtering by ListId is generally the most accurate, I've found. Most list admin software supports it (including this one), as does yahoogroups and googlegroups. DR
On Wednesday 28 November 2007, Cesar G. Miguel wrote:
Actually, i would like to keep that because gmail filters only works by subject if I'm not wrong.
Gmail can also filter by e-mail address! That's how I use it.
Cesar
I must correct myself and say that gmail *can* filter my listid :)
Petar Bogdanovic schrieb:
Would it be possible to remove the [arch-general] prefix from the subject line? It seems pretty useless to me since there are a lot of other headers on which a filter can be based on. The same goes for the automatic signature. One gets the following headers:
The prefix in the subject is fine, but can we please drop the footer? It's annoying and breaks GPG/MIME.
On Nov 28, 2007 4:37 AM, Thomas Bächler <thomas@archlinux.org> wrote:
The prefix in the subject is fine, but can we please drop the footer? It's annoying and breaks GPG/MIME.
+74 I hate the footer. // codemac -- . : [ + carpe diem totus tuus + ] : .
2007/11/29, Jeff Mickey <jeff@archlinux.org>:
On Nov 28, 2007 4:37 AM, Thomas Bächler <thomas@archlinux.org> wrote:
The prefix in the subject is fine, but can we please drop the footer? It's annoying and breaks GPG/MIME.
+74
I hate the footer.
+1337! :P -- Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич)
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 04:15:28PM +0200, Roman Kyrylych wrote:
2007/11/29, Jeff Mickey <jeff@archlinux.org>:
On Nov 28, 2007 4:37 AM, Thomas Bächler <thomas@archlinux.org> wrote:
The prefix in the subject is fine, but can we please drop the footer? It's annoying and breaks GPG/MIME.
+74
I hate the footer.
+1337! :P
-- Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич) _______________________________________________ arch-general mailing list arch-general@archlinux.org http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-general
i would vote for getting rid of the footer as well if thats an option. or at least shorten it a bit. its irritating when people quote & quote without removing it. Greg
Am Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:33:36 +0200 schrieb Grigorios Bouzakis <grbzks@gmail.com>:
i would vote for getting rid of the footer as well if thats an option. or at least shorten it a bit. its irritating when people quote & quote without removing it. But that's not a problem of the footer. That's the fault of the quoter.. And jep, I dislike this behaviour too!
Johannes
On Nov 28, 2007 3:37 AM, Thomas Bächler <thomas@archlinux.org> wrote:
Petar Bogdanovic schrieb:
Would it be possible to remove the [arch-general] prefix from the subject line? It seems pretty useless to me since there are a lot of other headers on which a filter can be based on. The same goes for the automatic signature. One gets the following headers:
The prefix in the subject is fine, but can we please drop the footer? It's annoying and breaks GPG/MIME.
How does it break GPG/MIME? Just curious. I don't really want to get rid of it, but I'd be fine with shortening it. I want to know if this is solvable too
"Aaron Griffin" <aaronmgriffin@gmail.com>:
How does it break GPG/MIME? Just curious. GPG/MIME encrypts/signs the WHOLE email. Subject, body and attachments and attaches this to an new email. Mail programm notices that and shows the attached mail as original mail.
Thinking about it - the footer would break only encryption - but not signing. (The sign is also attached as MIME).. Um.. jeah -- Gruß, Johannes Täglich http://blog.hehejo.de und du fühlst dich gut. http://cryptocd.eduforge.org/online_version
Le Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:17:49 +0100, Johannes Held <mail@hehejo.de> a écrit :
"Aaron Griffin" <aaronmgriffin@gmail.com>:
How does it break GPG/MIME? Just curious. GPG/MIME encrypts/signs the WHOLE email. Subject, body and attachments and attaches this to an new email. Mail programm notices that and shows the attached mail as original mail.
Thinking about it - the footer would break only encryption - but not signing. (The sign is also attached as MIME)..
Um.. jeah
Here, with kmail and claws-mail, AFAIK signing is not broken by the footer. I want the footer to stay, cause it add a rapid link/way to go to the html archive of the list.
On Nov 29, 2007 2:36 PM, slubman <slubman.lists@slubman.info> wrote:
I want the footer to stay, cause it add a rapid link/way to go to the html archive of the list.
I personally agree, but trimming it down 2 lines or so might be doable
On Thursday 29 November 2007, slubman wrote:
I want the footer to stay, cause it add a rapid link/way to go to the html archive of the list.
Man! Set a bookmark in your browser! ;) Anyway...what's the point of the footer? Anybody knows? If it's useless...we should get rid of it. Damnshock
On Thu 2007-11-29 21:36 , slubman wrote:
Le Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:17:49 +0100, Johannes Held <mail@hehejo.de> a écrit :
"Aaron Griffin" <aaronmgriffin@gmail.com>:
How does it break GPG/MIME? Just curious. GPG/MIME encrypts/signs the WHOLE email. Subject, body and attachments and attaches this to an new email. Mail programm notices that and shows the attached mail as original mail.
Thinking about it - the footer would break only encryption - but not signing. (The sign is also attached as MIME)..
Um.. jeah
Here, with kmail and claws-mail, AFAIK signing is not broken by the footer.
I want the footer to stay, cause it add a rapid link/way to go to the html archive of the list.
I don't care so much about the footer, but analyze it: it contains the email address and the description of the ml, pretty much redundant informations (you can see it in the To:/List-ID header) Do you want a way to go to the archive? Take a look at the headers: List-Archive: <http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general> -- Alessio 'mOLOk' Bolognino Arch Linux Trusted User Please send personal email to themolok@gmail.com Public Key http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFE0270FB GPG Key ID = 1024D / FE0270FB 2007-04-11 Key Fingerprint = 9AF8 9011 F271 450D 59CF 2D7D 96C9 8F2A FE02 70FB WE HATE YOU! -+ :) | V
On Nov 29, 2007 7:36 PM, Alessio 'mOLOk' Bolognino <themolok.ml@gmail.com> wrote:
WE HATE YOU! -+ :) | V
_______________________________________________ arch-general mailing list arch-general@archlinux.org http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-general
Ok... well - how about this - I shut it off, as a trial, on this list. Anyone want to yell about it?
Aaron Griffin wrote:
Ok... well - how about this - I shut it off, as a trial, on this list. Anyone want to yell about it?
Well, sure looks much better that way.
"R. Dale Thomas" <rdt@knoppmyth.net>:
Well, sure looks much better that way. *thumbs up*
-- Gruß, Johannes Täglich http://blog.hehejo.de und du fühlst dich gut. http://cryptocd.eduforge.org/online_version
On Friday 30 November 2007, Aaron Griffin wrote:
Ok... well - how about this - I shut it off, as a trial, on this list. Anyone want to yell about it?
Great!
On Nov 30, 2007 7:09 AM, Marc Deop i Argemí <damnshock@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday 30 November 2007, Aaron Griffin wrote:
Ok... well - how about this - I shut it off, as a trial, on this list. Anyone want to yell about it?
Great!
+1! No more deleting footers for me! :-) -- Cheers, Rodrigo A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open windows. ~Linus Torvalds
I would prefer keeping at least one line Greg
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 14:37 +0200, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:
I would prefer keeping at least one line
Greg
Yes, please keep at least one line that indicates the mailing list. It will look more elegant that way.
Hussam Al-Tayeb <ht990332@gmail.com>:
It will look more elegant that way. Let's use html-email with fancy logos and background images. :-)
-- Gruß, Johannes Täglich http://blog.hehejo.de und du fühlst dich gut. http://cryptocd.eduforge.org/online_version
On Nov 30, 2007 6:41 PM, Johannes Held <mail@hehejo.de> wrote:
Hussam Al-Tayeb <ht990332@gmail.com>:
It will look more elegant that way. Let's use html-email with fancy logos and background images. :-)
And something flash based! how can you forget flash??? -- Vinay S Shastry http://vinayshastry.blogspot.com/
On Nov 30, 2007 8:20 AM, Vinay Shastry <vinayshastry@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007 6:41 PM, Johannes Held <mail@hehejo.de> wrote:
Hussam Al-Tayeb <ht990332@gmail.com>:
It will look more elegant that way. Let's use html-email with fancy logos and background images. :-)
And something flash based! how can you forget flash???
This thread is getting offtopic fast. Locked. .... owait....
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 08:28 -0500, Travis Willard wrote:
On Nov 30, 2007 8:20 AM, Vinay Shastry <vinayshastry@gmail.com> wrote: On Nov 30, 2007 6:41 PM, Johannes Held <mail@hehejo.de> wrote: > Hussam Al-Tayeb <ht990332@gmail.com>: > > It will look more elegant that way. > Let's use html-email with fancy logos and background images. > :-)
And something flash based! how can you forget flash???
This thread is getting offtopic fast.
Locked.
.... owait....
Where did you hear me suggesting those? I never suggested logos or animations. A simple "ArchLinux General Mailing List" footer looks professional and is non intrusive.
On Friday 30 November 2007, Hussam Al-Tayeb wrote:
A simple "ArchLinux General Mailing List" footer looks professional
Does it need to look professional? Or do we only need the list to be functional?
and is non intrusive.
Well, I disagree. Many people have pointed it to be intrusive too ;) Damnshock
On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 14:45 +0100, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
On Friday 30 November 2007, Hussam Al-Tayeb wrote:
A simple "ArchLinux General Mailing List" footer looks professional
Does it need to look professional? Or do we only need the list to be functional?
and is non intrusive.
Well, I disagree. Many people have pointed it to be intrusive too ;)
Damnshock
Ok, I see it is a matter of taste so my opinion may be different than you. But if a 4 word footer is intrusive, then maybe signatures should be disallowed as well. No one really needs to know what company X works for or what his/her GNU/Linux registered number is.
2007/11/30, Hussam Al-Tayeb <ht990332@gmail.com>:
Ok, I see it is a matter of taste so my opinion may be different than you. But if a 4 word footer is intrusive, then maybe signatures should be disallowed as well. No one really needs to know what company X works for or what his/her GNU/Linux registered number is.
I think that by "intrusive" people meant "breaking gpg signatures". If that's the case, I'm with them. Corrado
Am Freitag, 30. November 2007 15:21:11 schrieb bardo:
I think that by "intrusive" people meant "breaking gpg signatures". If that's the case, I'm with them.
I don't know why people sing their emails when sending to a public mailing list. Who checks all the keys and imports them? -- archlinux.de
Pierre Schmitz <pierre@archlinux.de>:
I don't know why people sing their emails when sending to a public mailing list. Who checks all the keys and imports them? That's indeed a good point. But all my emails get signed by default. And I think, that's not bad.
-- Gruß, Johannes Täglich http://blog.hehejo.de und du fühlst dich gut. http://cryptocd.eduforge.org/online_version
On Friday 30 November 2007, Pierre Schmitz wrote:
I don't know why people sing their emails when sending to a public mailing list. Who checks all the keys and imports them?
I may wanna know who the sender trully is, right? I agree that is many times not important but... it *can* be important. Anyway, the signature should be attached so it does not bother other people as for replying and, if you don't wanna check the identity, just disable gpg/pgp ;) Just my two cents :) Damnshock
Holy crap people... this got way out of hand. We're discussing a footer. a footer This isn't rocket surgery. We either have it, or we don't. I turned it off on this list as a trial. Frankly, I like it simply because it's 4 less lines I have to remove when editing quotes. I do like the archive link there (getting to the headers via gmail is harder), but it's not critical to me. For the record, I DO believe that large signatures are annoying in the same way that a 4 line footer is annoying
On Nov 30, 2007 11:47 AM, Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin@gmail.com> wrote:
This isn't rocket surgery.
We need an engine transplant, STAT!
participants (22)
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Aaron Griffin
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Alessio 'mOLOk' Bolognino
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Allan McRae
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bardo
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Cesar G. Miguel
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David Rosenstrauch
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Grigorios Bouzakis
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Hussam Al-Tayeb
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Jeff Mickey
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Johannes Held
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Marc Deop i Argemí
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Petar Bogdanovic
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Pierre Schmitz
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R. Dale Thomas
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Rodrigo Coacci
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Roman Kyrylych
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Scott Horowitz
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slubman
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Thomas Bächler
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Thomas Haider
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Travis Willard
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Vinay Shastry