You can simply reinstall the package by issuing "pacman -S kernel26" But I'd also try to investigate why where those files erased. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:32 AM, David C. Rankin < drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:

On Monday 30 November 2009 18:08:21 and regarding:

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I'd guess that you have a corrupt filesystem and due to an fsck (or something else) the modules are gone.

Thank you for your help Flavio!

fsck was fine, but see my other post about files in /usr/x86_84-unknown-linux- gnu and /usr/x86_84-unknown-linux-uclibc??

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Try doing a "ls -la /lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko". And this: "pacman -Q kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel"

03:26 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes> ls -la /lib/modules/2.6.31- ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko ls: cannot access /lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda- intel.ko: No such file or directory

03:26 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes> pacman -Q kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel You have mail in /var/mail/david

Yep, they're gone... WTF? How can I reinstall them? Hardly seems like a problem to warrant a wipe-and-reinstall, but at least I have all the current packages if that becomes necessary. I bet it was gnome that did it :p. I think I have another x86_64 Arch install for my laptop, maybe I could pull the missing files from there. But how to tell what I need to copy?

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On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Xavier wrote:

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:32 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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03:26 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes> ls -la /lib/modules/2.6.31- ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko ls: cannot access /lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda- intel.ko: No such file or directory

03:26 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes> pacman -Q kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel You have mail in /var/mail/david

Maybe you also need to understand what you are doing and what the commands mean instead of brainless copy/paste.

if /lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko does not exist, you need to go all the way up to /lib/modules to see what exist, if anything at all. You can also just 'find /lib/modules' to display all files in there.

and pacman -Q kernel26 tells you whether kernel26 is installed or not. It's probably a good idea to check that too, maybe you removed it ?

You also need to check running kernel (uname -r) matches the one installed.

I was under the impression he was not using a custom kernel (since he didn't mentioned) that why I didn't bother to check.

If you want to check which files are inside kernel26 , you have to do : pacman -Ql kernel26

pacman -Ql kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel would be much more interesting and meaningful than pacman -Q kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel which was just a small typo or overlook of Flavio.

Indeed it was a typo. I image /lib/modules contains some stuff, otherwise his system would be totally f***'ed up and prolly wouldn't boot (or just would have no devices like network cards working at all, which doesn't appear to be the case). -- Flávio Coutinho da Costa

On Tuesday 01 December 2009 09:11:00 and regarding:

Maybe you also need to understand what you are doing and what the commands mean instead of brainless copy/paste.

Xavier, I appologize if I sounded flippant in my approach to copying files back to replace the sound modules, but rest assured that I understand fully what I'm doing when I do it and if not, I read until I do. (now granted, I have misunderstood a man page or two in my days ;-) This issue is just so off-the- wall that it has caught me somewhat off guard. It seems so narrowly tailored to the sound system that it is like the last kernel install just omitted the sound modules (and I think it did -- see below)

if /lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko does not exist, you need to go all the way up to /lib/modules to see what exist, if anything at all. You can also just 'find /lib/modules' to display all files in there.

I picked through the modules previously and missed what I think is the whole problem with the sound -- and it does look like the last kernel install simply failed to install the modules. I think this split screen view from konqueror provides the evidence of what is going on (sound-preoss.tar.bz2 was never extracted and installed). In the konqueror screenshot, my laptop is shown in the left vertical pane and another Arch x86_64 box is shown in the right pane. Now I do not understand why sound-preoss.tar.bz2 wasn't installed on my laptop, but it contains all the sound files: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/Archlinux/bugs/sound-preoss-bz2.jpg [12:11 alchemy:/lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH] # tar -tjf sound-preoss.tar.bz2 | grep intel kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0m.ko kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-codec-intelhdmi.ko kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko Where can I look to try and find the reason sound-preoss-bz2.jpg was left uninstalled? Can you think of a reason this could have happened during an update? The only way I update packages for the system is throught "pacman -Syu" when doing an update and that shouldn't have said don't install the sound. Not knowing more about the way Arch handles the sound-preoss.tar.bz2 file or what post processing is needed, I'm unclear how to proceed. Is it safer to attempt a reinstall of the kernel, or is it safe to just extract the sound modules and then use modprobe?

and pacman -Q kernel26 tells you whether kernel26 is installed or not. It's probably a good idea to check that too, maybe you removed it ?

You also need to check running kernel (uname -r) matches the one installed.

12:08 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes> uname -r 2.6.31-ARCH 12:28 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes> pmq | grep kernel kernel-headers 2.6.31.5-1 kernel26 2.6.31.6-1 kernel26-firmware 2.6.31-1 Hmm, kernel headers is a minor version behind, but that's the latest with the current updates. That shouldn't have done it, should it?

If you want to check which files are inside kernel26 , you have to do : pacman -Ql kernel26

pacman -Ql kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel would be much more interesting and meaningful than pacman -Q kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel which was just a small typo or overlook of Flavio.

Agreed, 12:28 alchemy:~/dt/kdm/themes> pacman -Ql kernel26 | grep snd-hda-intel kernel26 /lib/modules/2.6.31-ARCH/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko It's there, it's just sitting in sound-preoss.tar.bz2 right now. How to proceed?? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com

On Tuesday 01 December 2009 12:39:23 and regarding:

Google is your friend:

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=sound-preoss.tar.bz2

Click the first link and it'll shed some light.

DR

Oh brother.... Thank you DR: checking dependencies... Remove (1): oss-4.2_2002-1.1 Total Removed Size: 5.82 MB Do you want to remove these packages? [Y/n] OSS not loaded. (1/1) removing oss [#####################################################] 100% ------------------------------------------------------------- Open Sound System was now removed, and the ALSA kernel modules were restored. Please note that OSS stores some of its configuration files at /usr/lib/oss. If you don't plan to use OSS anymore, you can remove this directory. ------------------------------------------------------------- now let us see if this box will make noise again... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com

You could try to check /var/log/pacman.log to see why "oss" was installed. (If it was still installed pacman -Qi would give you this sort of info I guess) On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:18 PM, David C. Rankin < drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday 01 December 2009 12:48:02 and regarding:

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Remove (1): oss-4.2_2002-1.1

Total Removed Size: 5.82 MB

Do you want to remove these packages? [Y/n] OSS not loaded. (1/1) removing oss [#####################################################] 100%

------------------------------------------------------------- Open Sound System was now removed, and the ALSA kernel modules were restored.

Please note that OSS stores some of its configuration files at /usr/lib/oss. If you don't plan to use OSS anymore, you can remove this directory. -------------------------------------------------------------

now let us see if this box will make noise again...

Bingo -- The box makes noise once again! And... as a bonus, learning has occurred as to how oss handles alsa kernel modules. I don't know what wanted oss, but oss does a good job wiping out alsa. But, the oss removal script that restores alsa works as it is supposed to. Alsa restored, module loaded and sound is back to normal (although with a cool mixer in kde 4.3.4)

Thanks again DR. Next time, just send me back the following link:

http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/

:p

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-- Flávio Coutinho da Costa

Flavio,

       It was installed on 11/6 along with "emovix, libmms, cdrdao, libmodplug, speex, libshout, mpg123, libasyncns, pulseaudio, wavpack and quanta". I'm not sure which recommended it as an option. The weird part is that sound continued working as normal until just this past week. From 11/6 through ~ 11/20, sound worked fine. Then another install or update evidently brought the issue to life. All is good now. Thank you for your help.

Did you reboot during this time frame? Perhaps the alsa modules were loaded, and when you finally rebooted (on the 20th?), they weren't there to be re-loaded.

Thanks again DR. Next time, just send me back the following link:

http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/

haha... I think we may soon see RTFM replacing DTFG(Do the F* Googling) or something better....

It depends on what you put for F in RTFM,same thing in DTFG. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:57 PM, ludovic coues wrote:

2009/12/3 Raghavendra Prabhu

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haha... I think we may soon see RTFM replacing DTFG(Do the F* Googling) or something better....

It is not Do that Friendly Google ? : )

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