Allan McRae wrote:

Attila wrote:

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Hi,

i recognized that there is new package in aur for opera with this informations:

"This package is the official one from the [extra] repository. We have to move it because of a unclear license issue. After we have clarify this issue the package will be back in the repos or not. It should not be moved to community, because of the license."

I'm a little bit surprised that a custom license is such a problem because this shows me 343 entries:

find /var/abs -name PKGBUILD | \ xargs grep license | \ grep custom | grep extra | wc -l

Will now all packages with custom licenses disappear from extra?

No. Only the ones where it is unclear if we can legally distribute it.

Allan

Allan, What are the issues surrounding the Opera License?? If I can't help with the technical side, I can sure help with the legal side. What concerns does Arch have with the Opera license? What part do you think is "unclear" so as to justify moving the package? With that information, I can look at the license and then see what authority exists to either substantiate the concerns or provide the information showing that the concern is unjustified. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com

"I can look at the license and then see what authority exists to either substantiate the concerns or provide the information showing that the concern is unjustified." Nah, not lawyer speak. Just educated english speak. ;p On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Allan McRae wrote:

David C. Rankin wrote:

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Allan McRae wrote:

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Attila wrote:

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Hi,

i recognized that there is new package in aur for opera with this informations:

"This package is the official one from the [extra] repository. We have to move it because of a unclear license issue. After we have clarify this issue the package will be back in the repos or not. It should not be moved to community, because of the license."

I'm a little bit surprised that a custom license is such a problem because this shows me 343 entries:

find /var/abs -name PKGBUILD | \  xargs grep license | \  grep custom | grep extra | wc -l

Will now all packages with custom licenses disappear from extra?

No.  Only the ones where it is unclear if we can legally distribute it.

       What are the issues surrounding the Opera License?? If I can't help with the technical side, I can sure help with the legal side. What concerns does Arch have with the Opera license? What part do you think is "unclear" so as to justify moving the package?

I really do no want to get in to this too much on the mailing list as the devs are already dealing with this, but the license is actually quite clear:

"You shall not modify, translate, reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble the Software or any part thereof or otherwise attempt to derive source code, create or use derivative works therefrom."

Now look at the PKGBUILD (http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/opera/opera/PKGBUILD) and notice the sed and patch lines there.  That would be doing something to "modify the Software"...

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       With that information, I can look at the license and then see what authority exists to either substantiate the concerns or provide the information showing that the concern is unjustified.

Argh!  Lawyer speak!

Allan

Very nice to have a laywer around the mailing lists though... :) -AT On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:08 AM, Attila wrote:

On Samstag, 25. April 2009 08:02 Allan McRae wrote:

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No.  Only the ones where it is unclear if we can legally distribute it.

Thanks for the information.

See you, Attila

Aaron Griffin wrote:

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Allan McRae wrote:

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Attila wrote:

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Hi,

i recognized that there is new package in aur for opera with this informations:

"This package is the official one from the [extra] repository. We have to move it because of a unclear license issue. After we have clarify this issue the package will be back in the repos or not. It should not be moved to community, because of the license."

I'm a little bit surprised that a custom license is such a problem because this shows me 343 entries:

find /var/abs -name PKGBUILD | \ xargs grep license | \ grep custom | grep extra | wc -l

Will now all packages with custom licenses disappear from extra?

No. Only the ones where it is unclear if we can legally distribute it.

To clarify a little more, a "custom" license is not a specific type of license. It just means the package ships a license that is non-standard and doesn't have a name. The license that is shipped with Opera has some odd language, making us unable to ship it at this current time.

Then also this opera package should be moved from community to AUR http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=9028 ? -- Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi ( djgera ) http://www.djgera.com.ar KeyID: 0x1B8C330D Key fingerprint = 0CAA D5D4 CD85 4434 A219 76ED 39AB 221B 1B8C 330D