[arch-projects] Dead list

Dusty Phillips

20 May 2005 20 May '05

8:29 p.m.

I can't believe I go offline for a few weeks and you guys let this list die. Shame on all of you. I thought I was the only one that wasn't working on any projects lately. Well, not true. I'm working on a website, and I'm getting paid to do it... I haven't been working on any interesting projects besides ordering a new computer. I'm going to be joining the AMD64 porting project sometime. ;-) And until then, Ensmer is on hold. What is everybody else doing lately, eh? On a more personal note, I have been accepted into the graduate program at York University. Apparently I'm going to be able to play with some cutting edge VR equipment. I hope that means I can take Ensmer into another dimension, as it were. Should be interesting times... only less time for Arch now, between having a summer job and a 5 term full time student program ahead of me. :( Dusty

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cactus

20 May 20 May

8:35 p.m.

Good luck. :P Dusty Phillips wrote:

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I can't believe I go offline for a few weeks and you guys let this list die. Shame on all of you. I thought I was the only one that wasn't working on any projects lately. Well, not true. I'm working on a website, and I'm getting paid to do it... I haven't been working on any interesting projects besides ordering a new computer. I'm going to be joining the AMD64 porting project sometime. ;-)

And until then, Ensmer is on hold. What is everybody else doing lately, eh?

On a more personal note, I have been accepted into the graduate program at York University. Apparently I'm going to be able to play with some cutting edge VR equipment. I hope that means I can take Ensmer into another dimension, as it were. Should be interesting times... only less time for Arch now, between having a summer job and a 5 term full time student program ahead of me. :(

Dusty

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Martin Lefebvre

8:38 p.m.

Well... I don't know if that qualifies as a "project"... but I tried to port Arch to my HPPA box, but had to give up due to HD space limitations... and the lack of tim to setup a working cross-compiler... hey, maybe if anyone has any pointers? I also thought about porting the arch user space to the freebsd kernel like debian did... but I'm only 1 guy! :P dadexter

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I can't believe I go offline for a few weeks and you guys let this list die. Shame on all of you. I thought I was the only one that wasn't working on any projects lately. Well, not true. I'm working on a website, and I'm getting paid to do it... I haven't been working on any interesting projects besides ordering a new computer. I'm going to be joining the AMD64 porting project sometime. ;-)

And until then, Ensmer is on hold. What is everybody else doing lately, eh?

On a more personal note, I have been accepted into the graduate program at York University. Apparently I'm going to be able to play with some cutting edge VR equipment. I hope that means I can take Ensmer into another dimension, as it were. Should be interesting times... only less time for Arch now, between having a summer job and a 5 term full time student program ahead of me. :(

Dusty

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Rasatmakananda

8:50 p.m.

On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 14:38 -0400, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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I also thought about porting the arch user space to the freebsd kernel like debian did... but I'm only 1 guy! :P

Hi, In the Forums there is a topic: Arch-bsd?" http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=11550 Markku

Martin Lefebvre

8:53 p.m.

I don't use the forums anymore...

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On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 14:38 -0400, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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I also thought about porting the arch user space to the freebsd kernel like debian did... but I'm only 1 guy! :P

Hi,

In the Forums there is a topic: Arch-bsd?" http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=11550

Markku

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Aaron Griffin

9:30 p.m.

Hmmmm, projects... projects... well... I just checked out dadexter's machine.. does that count? (btw, badass P2, he he) Ummm... I've setup a bit of a "blog" http://phraktured.net ummm... other than that I've just been being lazy... oh! I'm going to linuxtag -phrak

Martin Lefebvre

9:34 p.m.

checked out my machine? explain, or I'll beat you up on #al tonight! :P

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Hmmmm, projects... projects... well... I just checked out dadexter's machine.. does that count? (btw, badass P2, he he)

Ummm... I've setup a bit of a "blog" http://phraktured.net

ummm... other than that I've just been being lazy...

oh! I'm going to linuxtag

-phrak

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Martin Lefebvre

9:39 p.m.

btw, it's not nice to make fun of handicaped people... so don't laugh at my double handicaped server (P2, running debian)

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Hmmmm, projects... projects... well... I just checked out dadexter's machine.. does that count? (btw, badass P2, he he)

Ummm... I've setup a bit of a "blog" http://phraktured.net

ummm... other than that I've just been being lazy...

oh! I'm going to linuxtag

-phrak

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Andy Roberts

11:12 p.m.

Is it me, or is Rasat writing from the future?! :P Andy On Monday 20 Jun 2005 11:52, Rasatmakananda wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 14:38 -0400, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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I also thought about porting the arch user space to the freebsd kernel like debian did... but I'm only 1 guy! :P

Hi,

In the Forums there is a topic: Arch-bsd?" http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=11550

Markku

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Aaron Griffin

10:08 p.m.

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Is it me, or is Rasat writing from the future?! :P On Monday 20 Jun 2005 11:52, Rasatmakananda wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

On 6/20/05, Aaron Griffin wrote: What? 8)

Martin Lefebvre

10:43 p.m.

I knew about time zone differences... but a whole month? ouch

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Is it me, or is Rasat writing from the future?! :P

Andy

On Monday 20 Jun 2005 11:52, Rasatmakananda wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 14:38 -0400, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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I also thought about porting the arch user space to the freebsd kernel like debian did... but I'm only 1 guy! :P

Hi,

In the Forums there is a topic: Arch-bsd?" http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?t=11550

Markku

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Lukas Sabota

10:07 p.m.

Let's see.. What have I been doing? Well, I've been studying basic python for a while, but now I'm going back to learning C. I learned C++ when I started out, but I'm now starting to like structured programming instead of OOP. Instead of writing structured C++, pure C will be a little more lightweight. It's a good thing to know. As far as projects go, I'm not working on anything. This is due to two factors: 1) I don't have anything compelling to work on and 2) school. Good luck to all of you on your projects! God Bless, Luke Dusty Phillips wrote:

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I can't believe I go offline for a few weeks and you guys let this list die. Shame on all of you. I thought I was the only one that wasn't working on any projects lately. Well, not true. I'm working on a website, and I'm getting paid to do it... I haven't been working on any interesting projects besides ordering a new computer. I'm going to be joining the AMD64 porting project sometime. ;-)

And until then, Ensmer is on hold. What is everybody else doing lately, eh?

On a more personal note, I have been accepted into the graduate program at York University. Apparently I'm going to be able to play with some cutting edge VR equipment. I hope that means I can take Ensmer into another dimension, as it were. Should be interesting times... only less time for Arch now, between having a summer job and a 5 term full time student program ahead of me. :(

Dusty

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Aaron Griffin

10:14 p.m.

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Instead of writing structured C++, pure C will be a little more lightweight. It's a good thing to know.

That's not true..if I write some C and compile it with g++ or gcc it will be the same. I almost only write structure C++ - it's a paradigm called "mixed mode" programming - the OO part is used solely for encapsulation - basically replacing stuff like this in C: typedef void* Object; Object new_Object(); void free_Object(Object); with: class Object { Object(); ~Object(); }; gains of structured c++ vs structured c: no freaking memory management fiascos... STL types (linked lists, hash tables, maps, strings) faster sorting (yup) Anyway, I'm really off topic... 8) Just always want to speak my case for c++

Andy Roberts

10:57 p.m.

On Friday 20 May 2005 18:29, Dusty Phillips wrote:

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I can't believe I go offline for a few weeks and you guys let this list die. Shame on all of you. I thought I was the only one that wasn't working on any projects lately. Well, not true. I'm working on a website, and I'm getting paid to do it... I haven't been working on any interesting projects besides ordering a new computer. I'm going to be joining the AMD64 porting project sometime. ;-)

And until then, Ensmer is on hold. What is everybody else doing lately, eh?

I'm still working on my first proper Java GUI app. It's been taking me a while. It's called aConCorde and is useful for language analysis - with particular emphasis on Arabic language processing, which is hard even when you speak the language (which I don't!) Fortunately, Java makes that kinda thing ok - it's just learning all the Swing models, components and threads, etc. (Oops, sorry for rambling!) During my time learning Swing, I began to realise that many of the well known Java "facts", i.e., Java is slow and ugly, are in fact false. I'm not saying that Java is the fastest thing out there, but it's fast enough! Also, looks-wise, well, it's not great by default but can be replaced with something decent very easily. See my recent article on OSNews about this if you care :P:P I was in fact embarking on a series of interviews with a number of key Java people, including a few Sun engineers. The aim was to cover what the state of play is with Java on the desktop: performance, looks, deployments, SWT, rich clients etc, etc. Managed to get the big names interested, but they could only fit it in several months in the future :( So, I've just started writing articles about these topics instead! Man, need to shut up...

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On a more personal note, I have been accepted into the graduate program at York University. Apparently I'm going to be able to play with some cutting edge VR equipment. I hope that means I can take Ensmer into another dimension, as it were. Should be interesting times... only less time for Arch now, between having a summer job and a 5 term full time student program ahead of me. :(

I take it you mean York, Canada? If you were going to York, UK, then I'd be nextdoor in Leeds. Good luck where-ever. I'm doing a PhD at Leeds and man, it's tough - but fun too! Andy

Dusty Phillips

10:33 p.m.

On 5/20/05, Andy Roberts wrote:

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During my time learning Swing, I began to realise that many of the well known Java "facts", i.e., Java is slow and ugly, are in fact false.

This has been the case for a few years, but the bad rep Java got early on is following it around like a stray dog. "The proof is in the pudding" doesn't seem to apply in these cases. Its kind of sad, but I don't care. I like the fact that very few people use Java for desktop apps, it makes me feel like I'm elite. Dusty

Martin Lefebvre

10:42 p.m.

I'm trying to learn java... but the install on freebsd is kinda tedious for a lazy person like me :/

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On 5/20/05, Andy Roberts wrote:

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During my time learning Swing, I began to realise that many of the well known Java "facts", i.e., Java is slow and ugly, are in fact false.

This has been the case for a few years, but the bad rep Java got early on is following it around like a stray dog. "The proof is in the pudding" doesn't seem to apply in these cases. Its kind of sad, but I don't care. I like the fact that very few people use Java for desktop apps, it makes me feel like I'm elite.

Dusty

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Dusty Phillips

11:14 p.m.

On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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I'm trying to learn java... but the install on freebsd is kinda tedious for a lazy person like me :/

Means you're using the wrong os.... 'pacman -Sy j2re' If you're a lazy person, Arch is the distro for you... ;-) Dusty

Martin Lefebvre

11:19 p.m.

I moved to freebsd recently because Linux (any distro/version) runs like crap on my abit BP6 constant APIC errors in syslog, and random freezes... hated it... freebsd seemed like my only option at that point... and runs fine... I'll figure out the BSD java stuff, was just hoping maybe someone had java/freebsd experience :/

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On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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I'm trying to learn java... but the install on freebsd is kinda tedious for a lazy person like me :/

Means you're using the wrong os.... 'pacman -Sy j2re'

If you're a lazy person, Arch is the distro for you...

;-)

Dusty

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cactus

11:28 p.m.

From what I have heard, it is a pain. Because freebsd isn't one of the "download and go" platforms for java, and there are some issues with recompiling the source on freebsd, *I think*. Not positive though, but I remember reading something about silliness of java on freebsd. Good luck. ps. Java is slow and ugly. :P Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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I moved to freebsd recently because Linux (any distro/version) runs like crap on my abit BP6

constant APIC errors in syslog, and random freezes... hated it... freebsd seemed like my only option at that point... and runs fine... I'll figure out the BSD java stuff, was just hoping maybe someone had java/freebsd experience :/

...
On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

...
I'm trying to learn java... but the install on freebsd is kinda tedious for a lazy person like me :/

Means you're using the wrong os.... 'pacman -Sy j2re'

If you're a lazy person, Arch is the distro for you...

;-)

Dusty

Martin Lefebvre

11:32 p.m.

I'm thinking about going back to trying to learn C++ instead because of that... what should I do? :P I'm a poor little python guy, but python isn't going to get me anywhere on the job market (well, except some unrelated help desk job... but I'm already there)

...

From what I have heard, it is a pain. Because freebsd isn't one of the "download and go" platforms for java, and there are some issues with recompiling the source on freebsd, *I think*. Not positive though, but I remember reading something about silliness of java on freebsd.

Good luck.

ps. Java is slow and ugly. :P

Martin Lefebvre wrote:

...
I moved to freebsd recently because Linux (any distro/version) runs like crap on my abit BP6

constant APIC errors in syslog, and random freezes... hated it... freebsd seemed like my only option at that point... and runs fine... I'll figure out the BSD java stuff, was just hoping maybe someone had java/freebsd experience :/

...
On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

...
I'm trying to learn java... but the install on freebsd is kinda tedious for a lazy person like me :/

Means you're using the wrong os.... 'pacman -Sy j2re'

If you're a lazy person, Arch is the distro for you...

;-)

Dusty

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Dusty Phillips

11:48 p.m.

Some days I'd rather be anunemployed Python programmer than a dissatisfied C++ or Java programmer saying "this would be so much easier in Python" Course, I never say that for Java, even though its sometimes true... Dusty On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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I'm thinking about going back to trying to learn C++ instead because of that... what should I do? :P

I'm a poor little python guy, but python isn't going to get me anywhere on the job market (well, except some unrelated help desk job... but I'm already there)

...
From what I have heard, it is a pain. Because freebsd isn't one of the "download and go" platforms for java, and there are some issues with recompiling the source on freebsd, *I think*. Not positive though, but I remember reading something about silliness of java on freebsd.

Good luck.

ps. Java is slow and ugly. :P

Martin Lefebvre wrote:

...
I moved to freebsd recently because Linux (any distro/version) runs like crap on my abit BP6

constant APIC errors in syslog, and random freezes... hated it... freebsd seemed like my only option at that point... and runs fine... I'll figure out the BSD java stuff, was just hoping maybe someone had java/freebsd experience :/

...
On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

...
I'm trying to learn java... but the install on freebsd is kinda tedious for a lazy person like me :/

Means you're using the wrong os.... 'pacman -Sy j2re'

If you're a lazy person, Arch is the distro for you...

;-)

Dusty

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Martin Lefebvre

11:55 p.m.

True. but if you can put all the chances on your side, try it... Of course a job as a python developer would be like heaven, but they're not common yet

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Some days I'd rather be anunemployed Python programmer than a dissatisfied C++ or Java programmer saying "this would be so much easier in Python"

Course, I never say that for Java, even though its sometimes true...

Dusty

On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

...
I'm thinking about going back to trying to learn C++ instead because of that... what should I do? :P

I'm a poor little python guy, but python isn't going to get me anywhere on the job market (well, except some unrelated help desk job... but I'm already there)

...
From what I have heard, it is a pain. Because freebsd isn't one of the "download and go" platforms for java, and there are some issues with recompiling the source on freebsd, *I think*. Not positive though, but I remember reading something about silliness of java on freebsd.

Good luck.

ps. Java is slow and ugly. :P

...
I moved to freebsd recently because Linux (any distro/version) runs

Martin Lefebvre wrote: like

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crap on my abit BP6

constant APIC errors in syslog, and random freezes... hated it... freebsd seemed like my only option at that point... and runs fine... I'll figure out the BSD java stuff, was just hoping maybe someone had java/freebsd experience :/

...
On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

...
I'm trying to learn java... but the install on freebsd is kinda tedious for a lazy person like me :/

Means you're using the wrong os.... 'pacman -Sy j2re'

If you're a lazy person, Arch is the distro for you...

;-)

Dusty

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Aaron Griffin

21 May 21 May

1:10 a.m.

google only hires python developers On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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True. but if you can put all the chances on your side, try it... Of course a job as a python developer would be like heaven, but they're not common yet

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Some days I'd rather be anunemployed Python programmer than a dissatisfied C++ or Java programmer saying "this would be so much easier in Python"

Course, I never say that for Java, even though its sometimes true...

Dusty

On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

...
I'm thinking about going back to trying to learn C++ instead because of that... what should I do? :P

I'm a poor little python guy, but python isn't going to get me anywhere on the job market (well, except some unrelated help desk job... but I'm already there)

...
From what I have heard, it is a pain. Because freebsd isn't one of the "download and go" platforms for java, and there are some issues with recompiling the source on freebsd, *I think*. Not positive though, but I remember reading something about silliness of java on freebsd.

Good luck.

ps. Java is slow and ugly. :P

...
I moved to freebsd recently because Linux (any distro/version) runs

Martin Lefebvre wrote: like

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crap on my abit BP6

constant APIC errors in syslog, and random freezes... hated it... freebsd seemed like my only option at that point... and runs fine... I'll figure out the BSD java stuff, was just hoping maybe someone had java/freebsd experience :/

...
On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

>I'm trying to learn java... but the install on freebsd is kinda tedious >for a lazy person like me :/

Means you're using the wrong os.... 'pacman -Sy j2re'

If you're a lazy person, Arch is the distro for you...

;-)

Dusty

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Martin Lefebvre

1:23 a.m.

do they hire in Canada? that's my limitation :/

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google only hires python developers

On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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True. but if you can put all the chances on your side, try it... Of course a job as a python developer would be like heaven, but they're not common yet

...
Some days I'd rather be anunemployed Python programmer than a dissatisfied C++ or Java programmer saying "this would be so much easier in Python"

Course, I never say that for Java, even though its sometimes true...

Dusty

On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

...
I'm thinking about going back to trying to learn C++ instead because of that... what should I do? :P

I'm a poor little python guy, but python isn't going to get me anywhere on the job market (well, except some unrelated help desk job... but I'm already there)

...
From what I have heard, it is a pain. Because freebsd isn't one of the "download and go" platforms for java, and there are some issues with recompiling the source on freebsd, *I think*. Not positive though, but I remember reading something about silliness of java on freebsd.

Good luck.

ps. Java is slow and ugly. :P

...
I moved to freebsd recently because Linux (any distro/version) runs

Martin Lefebvre wrote: like

...
crap on my abit BP6

constant APIC errors in syslog, and random freezes... hated it... freebsd seemed like my only option at that point... and runs fine... I'll figure out the BSD java stuff, was just hoping maybe someone had java/freebsd experience :/

>On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote: > >>I'm trying to learn java... but the install on freebsd is kinda tedious >>for a lazy person like me :/ > >Means you're using the wrong os.... 'pacman -Sy j2re' > >If you're a lazy person, Arch is the distro for you... > >;-) > >Dusty >

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Andy Roberts

11:47 a.m.

On Friday 20 May 2005 21:48, Dusty Phillips wrote:

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Some days I'd rather be anunemployed Python programmer than a dissatisfied C++ or Java programmer saying "this would be so much easier in Python"

Course, I never say that for Java, even though its sometimes true...

Well, if you're looking for a job, then it's probably easier to do in Java :P I don't know, in my research, I have wrote a set of programs for various tasks. The majority are Java, several are python and one is C++. I then use someelse's program for another task which is written in C. I think Python is a great language and a great starting point for budding programmers. Python reminds me of how I write in C++: objects for encapsulation, and then procedural from then on. So, a transition from Python to C++ in this way would be quite easy in that respect. However, a python programmer may be horrified at the C++ syntax. No more nice for loops. You'll probably have to use pointers eventually. The STL is darn hardy but it's not simple. Java uses a similar syntax to C++ (even more so now thank's to generics), but, when it comes to using collections, it isn't *as* bad. Java on the other hand enforces object-orientation design thoughout - no mixed mode here! I recall it took me a while to get used to that. One of the handy things with Java is that it's a rich platform. The language itself isn't terribly difficult, but it can take a while just to become familiar with all the classes that comes bundled with the Java Runtime. This obviously saves a great deal of effort since you need not reinvent the wheel. The number can in fact be a downside - I know students who write a lot of code when they could have utilised a class they didn't realise existed! Java is extremely important in the back-end and middleware domains. Enterprises like it because you can make good web-based rich applications. So there are a lot of jobs out there within these areas. Companies like IBM and Oracle are pouring resources to Java technologies. Note, Google recently released a Java app for uploading videos - so they must have employed at least one Java dev! Basically, (and obviously this is subjective) I'd say for the best all-round language, i'd choose Java. It's fast enough relative to C++ and much faster than any of the other high-level scripting languages. It's fully featured and the portability of your programs can be a real bonus. Andy

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Dusty

On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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I'm thinking about going back to trying to learn C++ instead because of that... what should I do? :P

I'm a poor little python guy, but python isn't going to get me anywhere on the job market (well, except some unrelated help desk job... but I'm already there)

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From what I have heard, it is a pain. Because freebsd isn't one of the "download and go" platforms for java, and there are some issues with recompiling the source on freebsd, *I think*. Not positive though, but I remember reading something about silliness of java on freebsd.

Good luck.

ps. Java is slow and ugly. :P

Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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I moved to freebsd recently because Linux (any distro/version) runs like crap on my abit BP6

constant APIC errors in syslog, and random freezes... hated it... freebsd seemed like my only option at that point... and runs fine... I'll figure out the BSD java stuff, was just hoping maybe someone had java/freebsd experience :/

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On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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I'm trying to learn java... but the install on freebsd is kinda tedious for a lazy person like me :/

Means you're using the wrong os.... 'pacman -Sy j2re'

If you're a lazy person, Arch is the distro for you...

;-)

Dusty

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Martin Lefebvre

24 May 24 May

1:58 p.m.

Well... Over the weekend I managed to get java to work *YAY* Now I gotta kick myself in the ass and learn it :/

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On Friday 20 May 2005 21:48, Dusty Phillips wrote:

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Some days I'd rather be anunemployed Python programmer than a dissatisfied C++ or Java programmer saying "this would be so much easier in Python"

Course, I never say that for Java, even though its sometimes true...

Well, if you're looking for a job, then it's probably easier to do in Java :P I don't know, in my research, I have wrote a set of programs for various tasks. The majority are Java, several are python and one is C++. I then use someelse's program for another task which is written in C.

I think Python is a great language and a great starting point for budding programmers. Python reminds me of how I write in C++: objects for encapsulation, and then procedural from then on. So, a transition from Python to C++ in this way would be quite easy in that respect. However, a python programmer may be horrified at the C++ syntax. No more nice for loops. You'll probably have to use pointers eventually. The STL is darn hardy but it's not simple.

Java uses a similar syntax to C++ (even more so now thank's to generics), but, when it comes to using collections, it isn't *as* bad. Java on the other hand enforces object-orientation design thoughout - no mixed mode here! I recall it took me a while to get used to that.

One of the handy things with Java is that it's a rich platform. The language itself isn't terribly difficult, but it can take a while just to become familiar with all the classes that comes bundled with the Java Runtime. This obviously saves a great deal of effort since you need not reinvent the wheel. The number can in fact be a downside - I know students who write a lot of code when they could have utilised a class they didn't realise existed!

Java is extremely important in the back-end and middleware domains. Enterprises like it because you can make good web-based rich applications. So there are a lot of jobs out there within these areas. Companies like IBM and Oracle are pouring resources to Java technologies. Note, Google recently released a Java app for uploading videos - so they must have employed at least one Java dev!

Basically, (and obviously this is subjective) I'd say for the best all-round language, i'd choose Java. It's fast enough relative to C++ and much faster than any of the other high-level scripting languages. It's fully featured and the portability of your programs can be a real bonus.

Andy

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Dusty

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I'm thinking about going back to trying to learn C++ instead because of that... what should I do? :P

I'm a poor little python guy, but python isn't going to get me anywhere on the job market (well, except some unrelated help desk job... but I'm already there)

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From what I have heard, it is a pain. Because freebsd isn't one of

On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote: the

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"download and go" platforms for java, and there are some issues with recompiling the source on freebsd, *I think*. Not positive though, but I remember reading something about silliness of java on freebsd.

Good luck.

ps. Java is slow and ugly. :P

Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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I moved to freebsd recently because Linux (any distro/version) runs like crap on my abit BP6

constant APIC errors in syslog, and random freezes... hated it... freebsd seemed like my only option at that point... and runs fine... I'll figure out the BSD java stuff, was just hoping maybe someone had java/freebsd experience :/

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On 5/20/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote: >I'm trying to learn java... but the install on freebsd is kinda > tedious for a lazy person like me :/

Means you're using the wrong os.... 'pacman -Sy j2re'

If you're a lazy person, Arch is the distro for you...

;-)

Dusty

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Aaron Griffin

5:02 p.m.

On 5/24/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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Well... Over the weekend I managed to get java to work *YAY*

Now I gotta kick myself in the ass and learn it :/

I recall somewhere saying an average java programmer gets $75/hour... I doubt that's right... because that would mean there's alot of developers making $120/hour (to even out the mass of programmers I know making $30/hour)

Martin Lefebvre

5:34 p.m.

still beats my 18.48$/hr for phone support :/

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On 5/24/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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Well... Over the weekend I managed to get java to work *YAY*

Now I gotta kick myself in the ass and learn it :/

I recall somewhere saying an average java programmer gets $75/hour... I doubt that's right... because that would mean there's alot of developers making $120/hour (to even out the mass of programmers I know making $30/hour)

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Dusty Phillips

6:46 p.m.

Or my $12/hr CAN for web design. :( Dusty On 5/24/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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still beats my 18.48$/hr for phone support :/

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On 5/24/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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Well... Over the weekend I managed to get java to work *YAY*

Now I gotta kick myself in the ass and learn it :/

I recall somewhere saying an average java programmer gets $75/hour... I doubt that's right... because that would mean there's alot of developers making $120/hour (to even out the mass of programmers I know making $30/hour)

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Martin Lefebvre

6:57 p.m.

I used to do "that much" for support... a company here in Ottawa who was since then bought out by Convergys, which people in other provinces might know a little better... That was back in 1999-2000

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Or my $12/hr CAN for web design. :(

Dusty

On 5/24/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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still beats my 18.48$/hr for phone support :/

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On 5/24/05, Martin Lefebvre wrote:

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Well... Over the weekend I managed to get java to work *YAY*

Now I gotta kick myself in the ass and learn it :/

I recall somewhere saying an average java programmer gets $75/hour... I doubt that's right... because that would mean there's alot of developers making $120/hour (to even out the mass of programmers I know making $30/hour)

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