[arch-releng] Make RC images more public?

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Gerhard Brauer

2 Aug 2009 2 Aug '09

1:04 p.m.

Hi, according to our time plan we would build the RC images tomorrow. Should we announce these RC images more public than only here on the ML? This means on the bbs. One problem doing this is the download by interested people. We could IMHO not push all this images over our normal mirrors (this would harm them to go out of sync). A alternative is download with torrents (were sigurd could be the tracker and also a feeder). Therefor we could build for the RC-testing only 4 images: core.iso/.img for i686 and x86_64 = 4 images. Public testing may give uns more feedback than we have it with our alpha/beta images (which were very few...) Your opinions? Gerhard

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Dieter Plaetinck

2 Aug 2 Aug

4:09 p.m.

On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 15:04:33 +0200 Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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Hi,

according to our time plan we would build the RC images tomorrow.

Should we announce these RC images more public than only here on the ML? This means on the bbs. One problem doing this is the download by interested people. We could IMHO not push all this images over our normal mirrors (this would harm them to go out of sync).

A alternative is download with torrents (were sigurd could be the tracker and also a feeder). Therefor we could build for the RC-testing only 4 images: core.iso/.img for i686 and x86_64 = 4 images.

Public testing may give uns more feedback than we have it with our alpha/beta images (which were very few...)

Your opinions?

Gerhard

You're right. The response we had on our 2009.08-alpha/beta images was quite disappointing. I attempted to get more interest but failed. (http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=76769, 0 interested people). Maybe I didn't post in the right section. On one hand I think we did a good job testing a lot ourselves and have a better image then all the old iso's. But OTOH there are always things we look over and other people can see immediately. Not sure about what we should do though Dieter

Aaron Griffin

3 Aug 3 Aug

7:11 p.m.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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Hi,

according to our time plan we would build the RC images tomorrow.

Should we announce these RC images more public than only here on the ML? This means on the bbs. One problem doing this is the download by interested people. We could IMHO not push all this images over our normal mirrors (this would harm them to go out of sync).

A alternative is download with torrents (were sigurd could be the tracker and also a feeder). Therefor we could build for the RC-testing only 4 images: core.iso/.img for i686 and x86_64 = 4 images.

Public testing may give uns more feedback than we have it with our alpha/beta images (which were very few...)

Would you like a front page news item?

Gerhard Brauer

8:02 p.m.

Am Montag, den 03.08.2009, 14:11 -0500 schrieb Aaron Griffin:

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On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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Public testing may give uns more feedback than we have it with our alpha/beta images (which were very few...)

Would you like a front page news item?

No, that is overkill for RC images. We would like to make a test when announcing them on the bbs, maybe in "Announcements, Package and Security Advisories" (these don't get linkied all to the front page?). Or a similar forum? With a text like: for interested people who like to test the base things before end of week the final arrives. We won't like to hear that your machine could not boot with 2.6.30 kernels or virtualbox problems, but on any issue what you see in the install procedure (most with aif). Something like that. The last what we wnat to have this week are zillions of bugreports on things which are affected by problems also a installed archlinux systems has... Dieter, would you like to make such a short announce of the RCs as a draft... Maybe based on these we already have for alpha/betas.. Gerhard

Aaron Griffin

8:08 p.m.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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Am Montag, den 03.08.2009, 14:11 -0500 schrieb Aaron Griffin:

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On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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Public testing may give uns more feedback than we have it with our alpha/beta images (which were very few...)

Would you like a front page news item?

No, that is overkill for RC images. We would like to make a test when announcing them on the bbs, maybe in "Announcements, Package and Security Advisories" (these don't get linkied all to the front page?). Or a similar forum?

That seems fine to me. Maybe send a mail to the arch-general list as well? There are many users who don't use the forums and only use the MLs (myself included)

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With a text like: for interested people who like to test the base things before end of week the final arrives. We won't like to hear that your machine could not boot with 2.6.30 kernels or virtualbox problems, but on any issue what you see in the install procedure (most with aif). Something like that.

How about: We're looking for installation issues only, not issues with packages themselves. If the ISO boots and installs exactly as expected, then the testing is complete. Problems after the actual installation should be reported to the bug tracker as normal, but should not be reported to the Release Engineering team.

Gerhard Brauer

8:36 p.m.

Am Montag, den 03.08.2009, 15:08 -0500 schrieb Aaron Griffin:

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On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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With a text like: for interested people who like to test the base things before end of week the final arrives. We won't like to hear that your machine could not boot with 2.6.30 kernels or virtualbox problems, but on any issue what you see in the install procedure (most with aif). Something like that.

How about: We're looking for installation issues only, not issues with packages themselves. If the ISO boots and installs exactly as expected, then the testing is complete. Problems after the actual installation should be reported to the bug tracker as normal, but should not be reported to the Release Engineering team.

Yes, fine. We should also tell what is new (AIF of course!, boot device detection, ....) and what we like to have most tested. This were IMHO: * time/timezone setting with UTC and localtime * If the boot device is fine detected during archiso boot hook * grub bootloader install * install with usb images, if the USB chipsets are detected (or if we have a massive problem according to FS#15376) * general aif handling, workflow... Test period is relative short (we want to release latest on 09. August) Gerhard

Aaron Griffin

8:37 p.m.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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Am Montag, den 03.08.2009, 15:08 -0500 schrieb Aaron Griffin:

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On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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With a text like: for interested people who like to test the base things before end of week the final arrives. We won't like to hear that your machine could not boot with 2.6.30 kernels or virtualbox problems, but on any issue what you see in the install procedure (most with aif). Something like that.

How about: We're looking for installation issues only, not issues with packages themselves. If the ISO boots and installs exactly as expected, then the testing is complete. Problems after the actual installation should be reported to the bug tracker as normal, but should not be reported to the Release Engineering team.

Yes, fine. We should also tell what is new (AIF of course!, boot device detection, ....) and what we like to have most tested. This were IMHO: * time/timezone setting with UTC and localtime * If the boot device is fine detected during archiso boot hook * grub bootloader install * install with usb images, if the USB chipsets are detected (or if we have a massive problem according to FS#15376) * general aif handling, workflow...

Would you mind proposing some announce text, and I can do some basic english editing if needed?

Gerhard Brauer

8:47 p.m.

Am Montag, den 03.08.2009, 15:37 -0500 schrieb Aaron Griffin:

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Would you mind proposing some announce text, and I can do some basic english editing if needed?

I will ask Dieter... He's the oxford-like english speaker, translater and the man-for-the-cool-announcements on this list ;-) Let myself build the RCs, bash shell understands my english <g> BTW: i assume to Dieter this day on Jabber to make a Archlinux song we could produce along with the occicial snapshot/release announcement: "Roll, roll, roll the Arch, rolling is the Linux..., never,never,nerver,never have a release..." Gerhard

Gerhard Brauer

9:15 p.m.

Am Montag, den 03.08.2009, 22:47 +0200 schrieb Gerhard Brauer:

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I will ask Dieter... He's the oxford-like english speaker, translater and the man-for-the-cool-announcements on this list ;-) Let myself build the RCs, bash shell understands my english <g>

Ok, Dieter will write the text, he is awesome.. The RCs are also finished. The are currently in /home/archiso/images on sigurd. I download a netinstall iso and a usb image and will do local a quick boot/install test if the build was right. Then i move them to our public access http dir.. Gerhard

Dieter Plaetinck

9:18 p.m.

On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:37:26 -0500 Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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Am Montag, den 03.08.2009, 15:08 -0500 schrieb Aaron Griffin:

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On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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With a text like: for interested people who like to test the base things before end of week the final arrives. We won't like to hear that your machine could not boot with 2.6.30 kernels or virtualbox problems, but on any issue what you see in the install procedure (most with aif). Something like that.

How about: We're looking for installation issues only, not issues with packages themselves. If the ISO boots and installs exactly as expected, then the testing is complete. Problems after the actual installation should be reported to the bug tracker as normal, but should not be reported to the Release Engineering team.

Yes, fine. We should also tell what is new (AIF of course!, boot device detection, ....) and what we like to have most tested. This were IMHO: * time/timezone setting with UTC and localtime * If the boot device is fine detected during archiso boot hook * grub bootloader install * install with usb images, if the USB chipsets are detected (or if we have a massive problem according to FS#15376) * general aif handling, workflow...

Would you mind proposing some announce text, and I can do some basic english editing if needed?

I wrote this quickly because i'm tired: (I'll write something better for the actual release) Hi, We're close to releasing new official Arch installation media. These media will bring *a lot* of new things, so we would like some broader testing. The most important changes since 2009.02: - usage of new AIF installer - better disk editor with support for dm_crypt and lvm setups - support for automated installations (deprecates quickinst) - aufs instead of unionfs - smarter, faster, better boot device detection (esp. for usb users) - better date/time setting - refactored grub installation routines - and more... To test this, you can try many things: - the interactive and automatic procedures. - net & cd-based installations - usb vs cd-rom images, isolinux vs grub. Our bugtracker: http://bugs.archlinux.org/proj6 Mailing list: http://www.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-releng New installation guide: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:Official_Arch_Linux_Instal... You can get the RC's from: http://build.archlinux.org/isos/ Dieter

Gerhard Brauer

9:38 p.m.

I do some inline editing... Am Montag, den 03.08.2009, 23:18 +0200 schrieb Dieter Plaetinck:

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I wrote this quickly because i'm tired: (I'll write something better for the actual release)

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Hi, We're close to releasing new official Arch installation media.

These media will bring *a lot* of new things, so we would like some broader testing.

The most important changes since 2009.02: - usage of new AIF installer - better disk editor with support for dm_crypt and lvm setups - support for automated installations (deprecates quickinst) - aufs instead of unionfs - smarter, faster, better boot device detection (esp. for usb users) - better date/time setting - refactored grub installation routines - and more...

To test this, you can try many things: - the interactive and automatic procedures. - net & cd-based installations - usb vs cd-rom images, isolinux vs grub.

We like to have primarily tested: - time/timezone setting with UTC and localtime - If the boot device gets fine detected during archiso boot hook - grub bootloader installation - USB images test, here if your USB controller gets detected.

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Our bugtracker: http://bugs.archlinux.org/proj6 Mailing list: http://www.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-releng

New installation guide: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:Official_Arch_Linux_Instal... You can get the RC's from: http://build.archlinux.org/isos/

Happy testing! Archlinux Release Team -------------------------------------- If i moved the RCs finally to public dir i could make this annouce on arch-general. IMHO i could not post anything to "Announcements, Package and Security Advisories" forum on bbs? Maybe this is something you, Aaron, have to do then... Gerhard

Aaron Griffin

9:56 p.m.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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I do some inline editing... Grammar adjustments

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Am Montag, den 03.08.2009, 23:18 +0200 schrieb Dieter Plaetinck:

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I wrote this quickly because i'm tired: (I'll write something better for the actual release)

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Hi, We're close to releasing new official Arch installation media.

These media will bring *a lot* of new things, so we would like some broader testing.

The most important changes since 2009.02: - usage of new AIF installer - better disk editor with support for dm_crypt and lvm setups - support for automated installations (deprecates quickinst) - aufs instead of unionfs - smarter, faster, better boot device detection (esp. for usb users) - better date/time setting - refactored grub installation routines - and more...

To test this, you can try many things: - the interactive and automatic procedures. - net & cd-based installations - usb vs cd-rom images, isolinux vs grub.

We like to have primarily tested: We would like to have the following tested: - time/timezone setting with UTC and localtime - If the boot device gets fine detected during archiso boot hook If the boot device gets detected properly during archiso boot hook - grub bootloader installation - USB images test, here if your USB controller gets detected. If USB images detect the USB controller properly

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If i moved the RCs finally to public dir i could make this annouce on arch-general. IMHO i could not post anything to "Announcements, Package and Security Advisories" forum on bbs? Maybe this is something you, Aaron, have to do then...

I added a new group allowing you guys to post to that board on the forums. So you should be able to do it now. If I accidentally gave you some admin permissions, let me know (that'd be an oops on my part)

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