Hi Thomas. I used to use Arch Linux quite a lot. I rairly do these days due to the fact that now I'm stuck on a wireless network. Hooking up via Ethernet is out of the question as I am not permitted in any case to get near the Router or anything like that, seeing as this network isn't mine. This network uses WPA personal with TKIP encryption. As for the wireless card I know Arch should work with it, seeing as it's an Intel wireless card. And it's , more specifically an Intel WiFi link 5100 agn A few interesting things though: I happen to be a blind Arch user, and before someone goes shouting at me to "input a feature yourself" for yes, I have read the Arch way document and understand it in it's entirety, however I am not a programmer, simiply a user of an OS< and in the passed, when I used Arch, I was always on a Ethernet connection, so i had little to worry about.I hope the Arch release team here will take this seriously. Hopefully they won't just laugh off yoru suggestions. Unless Arch Linux is capable of taking your suggestions and making them a reality at some point, that may be the fnial straw that turns me off completely from Arch altogether, evne though I enjoy using it. If I can't get my wireless networking functional on the liveCD through netcfg through some type of dialog or whatever, then I suppose that the Live CD wouldn't be of any use. I primarily use Chris Brannons TalkingArch CD, wich is based off of the origenal CDs that are released, and are the exact same net install cDs, just that it uses the Speakup Linux screen reader.
I'm presently running Arch in a VMware Windows seven VM presently, and am keeping an eye out on this mailing list to see when this release is actually coming down the pipes. But I just wanted to let you know that I like your suggestions, and hope that someone can incorperate those suggestions into the Arch linux Installation Framework. :)
Keep up the wonderful emails and stuff like that. That's the one reason I mainly subscribed ages ago. :)
Happy Arching,
==Keith
P.s. Isn't this fairly strate forward to incorperate into the AIF system as Thomas was mentioning earlier with regards to wireless for daily use by those like myself and probably others? As technology advances, the need for wireless will begin to outway the need for Ethernet, if that is not already being the case.
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:24:55 -0400 Keith Hinton keithint1234@gmail.com wrote:
I hope the Arch release team here will take this seriously. Hopefully they won't just laugh off yoru suggestions.
We (I) do. I don't doubt anyone's manners. (esp. not my bro's Aaron and Thomas!)
Isn't this fairly strate forward to incorperate into the AIF system as Thomas was mentioning earlier with regards to wireless for daily use by those like myself and probably others?
it should be.
Dieter
Am 16.04.2010 18:24, schrieb Keith Hinton:
This network uses WPA personal with TKIP encryption.
WPA personal, be it with TKIP or AES, is the most common and easiest feature you could imagine for wireless.
I happen to be a blind Arch user, and before someone goes shouting at me to "input a feature yourself" for yes, I have read the Arch way document and understand it in it's entirety, however I am not a programmer, simiply a user of an OS< and in the passed, when I used Arch, I was always on a Ethernet connection, so i had little to worry about.
I always have the highest respect for blind users - and I felt sorry when I was very rude to one on IRC before he told me he was blind. Seriously, I couldn't manage using a computer, or a system like Arch if I were blind.
I primarily use Chris Brannons TalkingArch CD, wich is based off of the origenal CDs that are released, and are the exact same net install cDs, just that it uses the Speakup Linux screen reader.
I know I encouraged him to release such a CD at one point, but I never knew he actually did it. Great to hear that this exists now.
Isn't this fairly strate forward to incorperate into the AIF system as Thomas was mentioning earlier with regards to wireless for daily use by those like myself and probably others? As technology advances, the need for wireless will begin to outway the need for Ethernet, if that is not already being the case.
It is not a problem - it just has to be done.
I am curious though: Is using the dialog-based systems like AIF even possible or convenient with a screenreader? I imagine it to be very difficult. Wouldn't it be easier to have a simpler interface that just asks questions and expects answers, rather than a dialog-based system?
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Thomas Bächler thomas@archlinux.org wrote:
I am curious though: Is using the dialog-based systems like AIF even possible or convenient with a screenreader? I imagine it to be very difficult. Wouldn't it be easier to have a simpler interface that just asks questions and expects answers, rather than a dialog-based system?
I'm curious about this as well. I know on OSX, the screen reader will say the label for a given field when you tab to it, but does that concept work in dialog apps?
Thomas Bachler wrote:
I primarily use Chris Brannons TalkingArch CD
I know I encouraged him to release such a CD at one point, but I never knew he actually did it. Great to hear that this exists now.
Yeah, I've had a couple releases since then, but I don't advertise enough, I guess. My Arch stuff is all hosted on http://the-brannons.com.
I am curious though: Is using the dialog-based systems like AIF even possible or convenient with a screenreader? I imagine it to be very difficult. Wouldn't it be easier to have a simpler interface that just asks questions and expects answers, rather than a dialog-based system?
The dialog interface works fine, more or less. There are a couple of things that one needs to do beforehand. export DIALOGOPTS='--visit-items' and use the "highlight tracking" mode of the screenreader. So Speakup will speak whatever selection you have made with the arrow keys.
AIF also has a "-i cli" option, which gives a command-line interface, instead of the dialog-based interface.
-- Chris
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