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Dieter Plaetinck

17 Feb 2009 17 Feb '09

12:56 p.m.

Cool stuff. Aren't we the first distro to officially release images with 2.6.28/ext4 et al ? Dieter Begin forwarded message: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:50:44 +0100 From: Andrea Scarpino To: Public mailing list for ArchLinux development Subject: Re: [arch-dev-public] Arch Linux release in the press 2009/2/17 Thomas Bächler :

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I just noticed by accident that our release announcement made it to heise open. This is the first time that Arch has been mentioned on heise at all, so I am a bit psyched. Anyway, for those who know German, read here: http://www.heise.de/open/Arch-Linux-2009-02--/news/meldung/132693

It's not much more than a translation of the release announcement, but should still attract some more German users.

I'd like to use this thread to collect more press coverage of our release, so if you see anything, post it here (or reply on arch-general). Also a popular Italian site[1] have announced the our ISO is released :) nice

[1] http://www.ossblog.it/post/4672/rilasciata-archlinux-20092 -- Andrea `BaSh` Scarpino Arch Linux Developer

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Thomas Bächler

17 Feb 17 Feb

1:08 p.m.

New subject: [arch-releng] Fw: [arch-dev-public] Arch Linux release in the press

Dieter Plaetinck schrieb:

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Cool stuff. Aren't we the first distro to officially release images with 2.6.28/ext4 et al ?

Dieter

I think we are, if you don't count alpha or beta releases (Fedora and Ubuntu have stuff in development and already released images afaik). One might argue that Arch is not "stable" and doesn't count Anyway, IMO it is the right time to shout "FIRST!".

Dieter Plaetinck

1:12 p.m.

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:08:49 +0100 Thomas Bächler wrote:

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Dieter Plaetinck schrieb:

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Cool stuff. Aren't we the first distro to officially release images with 2.6.28/ext4 et al ?

Dieter

I think we are, if you don't count alpha or beta releases (Fedora and Ubuntu have stuff in development and already released images afaik). One might argue that Arch is not "stable" and doesn't count

You funny boy, Arch is stable. (definitely more stable then ubuntu ;-)

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Anyway, IMO it is the right time to shout "FIRST!".

Right on! First! Dieter

Aaron Griffin

3:44 p.m.

New subject: [arch-releng] Fw: [arch-dev-public] Arch Linux release in the press

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:08:49 +0100 Thomas Bächler wrote:

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Dieter Plaetinck schrieb:

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Cool stuff. Aren't we the first distro to officially release images with 2.6.28/ext4 et al ?

Dieter

I think we are, if you don't count alpha or beta releases (Fedora and Ubuntu have stuff in development and already released images afaik). One might argue that Arch is not "stable" and doesn't count

You funny boy, Arch is stable.

(definitely more stable then ubuntu ;-)

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Anyway, IMO it is the right time to shout "FIRST!".

Right on! First!

I thought Ubuntu actually released theirs with ext4 support. But hah, we win! :)

Loui Chang

3:54 p.m.

New subject: [arch-releng] Fw: [arch-dev-public] Arch Linux release in the press

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:44:45AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:08:49 +0100 Thomas Bächler wrote:

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Dieter Plaetinck schrieb:

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Cool stuff. Aren't we the first distro to officially release images with 2.6.28/ext4 et al ?

Dieter

I think we are, if you don't count alpha or beta releases (Fedora and Ubuntu have stuff in development and already released images afaik). One might argue that Arch is not "stable" and doesn't count

You funny boy, Arch is stable.

(definitely more stable then ubuntu ;-)

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Anyway, IMO it is the right time to shout "FIRST!".

Right on! First!

I thought Ubuntu actually released theirs with ext4 support. But hah, we win! :)

Arch is freaking ground breaking!

Aaron Griffin

4:03 p.m.

New subject: [arch-releng] Fw: [arch-dev-public] Arch Linux release in the press

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Loui Chang wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:44:45AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:08:49 +0100 Thomas Bächler wrote:

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Dieter Plaetinck schrieb:

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Cool stuff. Aren't we the first distro to officially release images with 2.6.28/ext4 et al ?

Dieter

I think we are, if you don't count alpha or beta releases (Fedora and Ubuntu have stuff in development and already released images afaik). One might argue that Arch is not "stable" and doesn't count

You funny boy, Arch is stable.

(definitely more stable then ubuntu ;-)

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Anyway, IMO it is the right time to shout "FIRST!".

Right on! First!

I thought Ubuntu actually released theirs with ext4 support. But hah, we win! :)

Arch is freaking ground breaking!

KDE 4.2, ext4, what's next? The moon?

Dieter Plaetinck

4:12 p.m.

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:03:51 -0600 Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Loui Chang wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:44:45AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:08:49 +0100 Thomas Bächler wrote:

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Dieter Plaetinck schrieb:

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Cool stuff. Aren't we the first distro to officially release images with 2.6.28/ext4 et al ?

Dieter

I think we are, if you don't count alpha or beta releases (Fedora and Ubuntu have stuff in development and already released images afaik). One might argue that Arch is not "stable" and doesn't count

You funny boy, Arch is stable.

(definitely more stable then ubuntu ;-)

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Anyway, IMO it is the right time to shout "FIRST!".

Right on! First!

I thought Ubuntu actually released theirs with ext4 support. But hah, we win! :)

Arch is freaking ground breaking!

KDE 4.2, ext4, what's next? The moon?

Good point. let's put also the moon in http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki, section "World Domination" Dieter

Grigorios Bouzakis

4:23 p.m.

New subject: [arch-releng] Fw: [arch-dev-public] Arch Linux release in the press

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 05:12:33PM +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:03:51 -0600 Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Loui Chang wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:44:45AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:08:49 +0100 Thomas Bächler wrote:

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Dieter Plaetinck schrieb: > Cool stuff. > Aren't we the first distro to officially release images with > 2.6.28/ext4 et al ? > > Dieter

I think we are, if you don't count alpha or beta releases (Fedora and Ubuntu have stuff in development and already released images afaik). One might argue that Arch is not "stable" and doesn't count

You funny boy, Arch is stable.

(definitely more stable then ubuntu ;-)

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Anyway, IMO it is the right time to shout "FIRST!".

Right on! First!

I thought Ubuntu actually released theirs with ext4 support. But hah, we win! :)

Arch is freaking ground breaking!

KDE 4.2, ext4, what's next? The moon?

Good point. let's put also the moon in http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki, section "World Domination"

Dieter

Simo is already getting close http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Neotuli :) -- Greg

Troy Ankersen

6:21 p.m.

New subject: [arch-releng] Problem creating USB image from archlinux-2009.02-ftp-i686.img

I think that there may be a problem with the "archlinux-2009.02-ftp-i686.img file." I have made several attempts to create a USB image from this file. When the 'dd' operation completes, the USB stick I am writing to is left with only a lost+found directory. I can successfully create an image from the "archlinux-2009.02-core-i686.img" file and it boots just fine. cheers troy

Thomas Bächler

6:24 p.m.

New subject: [arch-releng] Problem creating USB image from archlinux-2009.02-ftp-i686.img

Troy Ankersen schrieb:

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I think that there may be a problem with the "archlinux-2009.02-ftp-i686.img file." I have made several attempts to create a USB image from this file. When the 'dd' operation completes, the USB stick I am writing to is left with only a lost+found directory.

I can successfully create an image from the "archlinux-2009.02-core-i686.img" file and it boots just fine.

http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/13335

Dieter Plaetinck

9:02 p.m.

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:23:00 +0200 Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 05:12:33PM +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:03:51 -0600 Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Loui Chang wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:44:45AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:08:49 +0100 Thomas Bächler wrote:

> Dieter Plaetinck schrieb: > > Cool stuff. > > Aren't we the first distro to officially release images > > with 2.6.28/ext4 et al ? > > > > Dieter > > I think we are, if you don't count alpha or beta releases > (Fedora and Ubuntu have stuff in development and already > released images afaik). One might argue that Arch is not > "stable" and doesn't count > You funny boy, Arch is stable.

(definitely more stable then ubuntu ;-)

> Anyway, IMO it is the right time to shout "FIRST!". >

Right on! First!

I thought Ubuntu actually released theirs with ext4 support. But hah, we win! :)

Arch is freaking ground breaking!

KDE 4.2, ext4, what's next? The moon?

Good point. let's put also the moon in http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki, section "World Domination"

Dieter

Simo is already getting close http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Neotuli :)

Cool.. LWN too. http://lwn.net/Articles/319734/rss It's so cool to see phrases that you wrote yourself appear on several bigger news sites :)

Grigorios Bouzakis

9:09 p.m.

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:02:24PM +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:23:00 +0200 Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 05:12:33PM +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:03:51 -0600 Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Loui Chang wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:44:45AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:08:49 +0100 > Thomas Bächler wrote: > >> Dieter Plaetinck schrieb: >> > Cool stuff. >> > Aren't we the first distro to officially release images >> > with 2.6.28/ext4 et al ? >> > >> > Dieter >> >> I think we are, if you don't count alpha or beta releases >> (Fedora and Ubuntu have stuff in development and already >> released images afaik). One might argue that Arch is not >> "stable" and doesn't count >> > You funny boy, Arch is stable. > > > (definitely more stable then ubuntu ;-) > > >> Anyway, IMO it is the right time to shout "FIRST!". >> > > Right on! First!

I thought Ubuntu actually released theirs with ext4 support. But hah, we win! :)

Arch is freaking ground breaking!

KDE 4.2, ext4, what's next? The moon?

Good point. let's put also the moon in http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki, section "World Domination"

Dieter

Simo is already getting close http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Neotuli :)

Cool.. LWN too. http://lwn.net/Articles/319734/rss

It's so cool to see phrases that you wrote yourself appear on several bigger news sites :)

OSNews also did in the afternoon http://osnews.com/story/20995/ArchLinux_2009_02_Released -- Greg

Stephan Platz

18 Feb 18 Feb

1:04 p.m.

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:02:24PM +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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Grigorios Bouzakis wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 05:12:33PM +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Loui Chang

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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:44:45AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Dieter Plaetinck > > wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:08:49 +0100 > > > > Thomas Bächler wrote: > >> Dieter Plaetinck schrieb: > >> > Cool stuff. > >> > Aren't we the first distro to officially release images > >> > with 2.6.28/ext4 et al ? > >> > > >> > Dieter > >> > >> I think we are, if you don't count alpha or beta releases > >> (Fedora and Ubuntu have stuff in development and already > >> released images afaik). One might argue

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Arch is freaking ground breaking!

KDE 4.2, ext4, what's next? The moon?

Good point. let's put also the moon in http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki,

On Tuesday 17 February 2009 22:09:44 Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: that Arch is not section "World

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Dieter

Simo is already getting close http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Neotuli :)

Cool.. LWN too. http://lwn.net/Articles/319734/rss

It's so cool to see phrases that you wrote yourself appear on several bigger news sites :)

OSNews also did in the afternoon

http://osnews.com/story/20995/ArchLinux_2009_02_Released For German reader's: Das Linux-Magazin meldet ebenfalls die neue Installations-CD http://www.linux-magazin.de/news/arch_linux_mit_ext_4

Gerhard Brauer

3:11 p.m.

Am Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:04:14 +0100 schrieb Stephan Platz :

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For German reader's: Das Linux-Magazin meldet ebenfalls die neue Installations-CD http://www.linux-magazin.de/news/arch_linux_mit_ext_4

It's fine to see that the ISO release get so many attention. Searching with "Arch Linux 2009.02" founds a lot of announces meanwhile. Either the text of our announce news or a modified. What i see often in this news is: Arch 2009.02 released. The same "mistake" what Aaron mentioned: It's not clear for the news writers that we have a rolling release and that 2009.02 is "only" a snapshot for new installations. So we should - in the announces for the next iso release - make a bigger hint on this, like we do it on the download page on archlinux.org. Somewhat like "For new installations only. An Arch Linux system can always be updated with `pacman -Syu`" So we should make this a bigger part in the next news IMHO. Gerhard

Loui Chang

3:57 p.m.

New subject: [arch-releng] Fw: [arch-dev-public] Arch Linux release in the press

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 04:11:32PM +0100, Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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It's fine to see that the ISO release get so many attention. Searching with "Arch Linux 2009.02" founds a lot of announces meanwhile. Either the text of our announce news or a modified. What i see often in this news is: Arch 2009.02 released. The same "mistake" what Aaron mentioned: It's not clear for the news writers that we have a rolling release and that 2009.02 is "only" a snapshot for new installations. So we should - in the announces for the next iso release - make a bigger hint on this, like we do it on the download page on archlinux.org. Somewhat like "For new installations only. An Arch Linux system can always be updated with `pacman -Syu`"

So we should make this a bigger part in the next news IMHO.

Yeah that could be made more explicit on the Download page too.

Dieter Plaetinck

4:13 p.m.

On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:57:32 -0500 Loui Chang wrote:

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On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 04:11:32PM +0100, Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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It's fine to see that the ISO release get so many attention. Searching with "Arch Linux 2009.02" founds a lot of announces meanwhile. Either the text of our announce news or a modified. What i see often in this news is: Arch 2009.02 released. The same "mistake" what Aaron mentioned: It's not clear for the news writers that we have a rolling release and that 2009.02 is "only" a snapshot for new installations. So we should - in the announces for the next iso release - make a bigger hint on this, like we do it on the download page on archlinux.org. Somewhat like "For new installations only. An Arch Linux system can always be updated with `pacman -Syu`"

So we should make this a bigger part in the next news IMHO.

Yeah that could be made more explicit on the Download page too.

Good point Gerhard about being more clear in the news. Could someone with priviliges do a little update of the news item? Though I find it is already clear enough on the download page. The first thing you see on the page is : "For new installations only. An Arch Linux system can always be updated with `pacman -Syu`" Dieter

Gerhard Brauer

5:19 p.m.

Am Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:13:57 +0100 schrieb Dieter Plaetinck :

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Good point Gerhard about being more clear in the news. Could someone with priviliges do a little update of the news item?

I mean not for this release, for the next releases (ex. 2009.04). News on heise, linuxmagazin or whatelse are already written, even when we would change our new now...

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Gerhard

Aaron Griffin

5:24 p.m.

New subject: [arch-releng] Fw: [arch-dev-public] Arch Linux release in the press

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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Am Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:13:57 +0100 schrieb Dieter Plaetinck :

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Good point Gerhard about being more clear in the news. Could someone with priviliges do a little update of the news item?

I mean not for this release, for the next releases (ex. 2009.04). News on heise, linuxmagazin or whatelse are already written, even when we would change our new now...

Yeah, "going forward" we have to make it more apparent that this is not a "release" - perhaps we should change the wording to something like "2009.04 Installer" instead of "2009.04 Release" or something. Working the word "snapshot" in there would be a good idea too

Loui Chang

6:20 p.m.

New subject: [arch-releng] Fw: [arch-dev-public] Arch Linux release in the press

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 05:13:57PM +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:57:32 -0500 Loui Chang wrote:

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On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 04:11:32PM +0100, Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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It's fine to see that the ISO release get so many attention. Searching with "Arch Linux 2009.02" founds a lot of announces meanwhile. Either the text of our announce news or a modified. What i see often in this news is: Arch 2009.02 released. The same "mistake" what Aaron mentioned: It's not clear for the news writers that we have a rolling release and that 2009.02 is "only" a snapshot for new installations. So we should - in the announces for the next iso release - make a bigger hint on this, like we do it on the download page on archlinux.org. Somewhat like "For new installations only. An Arch Linux system can always be updated with `pacman -Syu`"

So we should make this a bigger part in the next news IMHO.

Yeah that could be made more explicit on the Download page too.

Good point Gerhard about being more clear in the news. Could someone with priviliges do a little update of the news item?

Though I find it is already clear enough on the download page. The first thing you see on the page is : "For new installations only. An Arch Linux system can always be updated with `pacman -Syu`"

Well, "Current Release: 2009.02" can be misleading. Maybe something like "Latest ISO Installer/Snapshot: 2009.02" might be better.

Dieter Plaetinck

7:19 p.m.

New subject: [arch-releng] release vs snapshot terminology (was: Arch Linux release in the press)

On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:24:18 -0600 Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Gerhard Brauer wrote:

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Am Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:13:57 +0100 schrieb Dieter Plaetinck :

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Good point Gerhard about being more clear in the news. Could someone with priviliges do a little update of the news item?

I mean not for this release, for the next releases (ex. 2009.04). News on heise, linuxmagazin or whatelse are already written, even when we would change our new now...

Yeah, "going forward" we have to make it more apparent that this is not a "release" - perhaps we should change the wording to something like "2009.04 Installer" instead of "2009.04 Release" or something. Working the word "snapshot" in there would be a good idea too

I don't care whether some news reporter uses the word release or snapshot, as long as our _users_ know how we work. Imho we should just make it clear in several places (eg download page, beginners guide etc), so we can keep using the word "release". (are really that many users confused now? I have no insight on that) Sure we have a rolling release model, but still our isos/img's are definitely not "just" a snapshot: - they are planned - we work "towards" them and provide support afterwards - we do a core freeze a while before, and during the release. - they are carefully tested. - we time releases of other packages/tools to "fit" in the iso release scheme (eg installer) - ... Imho the word "snapshot" doesn't do much justice to our images and makes it sound like just that, a snapshot. Most likely if we start using the word "snapshot" people new to Arch might be more hesitant to try it out because it doesn't sound like something well tested/engineered/supported. Which may be a bigger problem then what we have now. Think about it. Dieter

Loui Chang

7:54 p.m.

New subject: [arch-releng] release vs snapshot terminology (was: Arch Linux release in the press)

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 08:19:59PM +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote:

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I don't care whether some news reporter uses the word release or snapshot, as long as our _users_ know how we work. Imho we should just make it clear in several places (eg download page, beginners guide etc), so we can keep using the word "release". (are really that many users confused now? I have no insight on that)

Sure we have a rolling release model, but still our isos/img's are definitely not "just" a snapshot: - they are planned - we work "towards" them and provide support afterwards - we do a core freeze a while before, and during the release. - they are carefully tested. - we time releases of other packages/tools to "fit" in the iso release scheme (eg installer) - ...

Imho the word "snapshot" doesn't do much justice to our images and makes it sound like just that, a snapshot. Most likely if we start using the word "snapshot" people new to Arch might be more hesitant to try it out because it doesn't sound like something well tested/engineered/supported. Which may be a bigger problem then what we have now. Think about it.

I don't really see anything bad about that. Does it mean that novice users will try to learn more about Linux in general before trying Arch? Even though there is a core 'chilling', the packages that are included are still a snapshot. What you're distributing are Arch Linux system images with installation helper and core packages snapshot. The system is a snapshot, the packages are, and so might the installation helper be. I think snapshot is a very fitting term.

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