[arch-releng] Additional packages on Live/Install images?
Hi, from some requests/mails we should discuss if we add these additional packages to the Live/Install image environment: * rsync * netcfg netcfg could be usefull to setup mainly a wireless internet connection for netinstall users (who not familar with iwconfig or wpa_supplicant). Also a hint on vi: vi in [testing] (050325-1) chnages the behavior of vi more to the basic vi. As vi editor, have we an alternative? vim is too big IMHO (dependencies)... Otherwise IMHO vi 050325-1 is ok... rsync as a rescue, maintenance tool. This package of cource could always be installed via pacman, but one have to establish a internet connection. Both packages don't increase the images size too big, so my opinions were to add them to 2009.08. What do you mean? FYI: I attatch a list of current used packages. Our policy is not to add too many packages, above all when they could be installed easy later via pacman. Currently i686 and x86_64 list don't differ. Gerhard
Am Sonntag, den 02.08.2009, 11:36 +0200 schrieb Gerhard Brauer:
* rsync * netcfg
Pierre mentioned additionally: ca-certificates vpnc (used by lots of universities and companies to dial into their network) testdisk (great for data recovery) grub2 screen (maybe) dhclient (dhcpc sometimes fails) I disagreed with: grub2 (could/would collide with our grub-legacy on ISO or iso building, this could be a goal for next release) testdisk, screen (get it via pacman) ca-certificates are usefull for some wpa connections (and openssl) vpnc to use some restriced networks to get internet access. dhclient? It would not be used by aif, so only usefull by hand... I try to add ca-certificates and vpnc on a test build... Gerhard
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:14:27 +0200 Gerhard Brauer <gerbra@archlinux.de> wrote:
Am Sonntag, den 02.08.2009, 11:36 +0200 schrieb Gerhard Brauer:
* rsync * netcfg
Pierre mentioned additionally: ca-certificates vpnc (used by lots of universities and companies to dial into their network) testdisk (great for data recovery) grub2 screen (maybe) dhclient (dhcpc sometimes fails)
I disagreed with: grub2 (could/would collide with our grub-legacy on ISO or iso building, this could be a goal for next release) testdisk, screen (get it via pacman)
ca-certificates are usefull for some wpa connections (and openssl) vpnc to use some restriced networks to get internet access.
dhclient? It would not be used by aif, so only usefull by hand...
I try to add ca-certificates and vpnc on a test build...
Gerhard
I agree with you. FWIW: aif uses this: dieter@dieter-ws-a7n8x-arch ~ pacman -Qo `which dhcpcd` /sbin/dhcpcd is owned by dhcpcd 5.0.6-1 Maybe there are better tools. this is what the old installer used so i continued with it in aif (and hence it is available as package on the images) Dieter
Am Sonntag, den 02.08.2009, 12:14 +0200 schrieb Gerhard Brauer:
I try to add ca-certificates and vpnc on a test build...
Ok, i added: netcfg rsync dhclient ca-certificates vpnc This increase image size by ~1MB, so it is acceptable IMHO. Gerhard
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:47:21 +0200 Gerhard Brauer <gerbra@archlinux.de> wrote:
Am Sonntag, den 02.08.2009, 12:14 +0200 schrieb Gerhard Brauer:
I try to add ca-certificates and vpnc on a test build...
Ok, i added: netcfg rsync dhclient ca-certificates vpnc
This increase image size by ~1MB, so it is acceptable IMHO.
Gerhard
So, what does dhclient do that dhcpcd can't? Dieter
Am Sonntag, den 02.08.2009, 13:51 +0200 schrieb Dieter Plaetinck:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:47:21 +0200 Gerhard Brauer <gerbra@archlinux.de> wrote:
Am Sonntag, den 02.08.2009, 12:14 +0200 schrieb Gerhard Brauer:
I try to add ca-certificates and vpnc on a test build...
Ok, i added: netcfg rsync dhclient ca-certificates vpnc
This increase image size by ~1MB, so it is acceptable IMHO.
Gerhard
So, what does dhclient do that dhcpcd can't?
dhcpcd (in the actual version 5.x) has some problems with crappy routers resp. DHCP-Server on those (the popular FritzBox is often one of them). In this case sometimes a dynamic IP could obtain via dhclient when dhcpcd timed out...
Dieter
Gerhard
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:01:33 +0200 Gerhard Brauer <gerbra@archlinux.de> wrote:
Am Sonntag, den 02.08.2009, 13:51 +0200 schrieb Dieter Plaetinck:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:47:21 +0200 Gerhard Brauer <gerbra@archlinux.de> wrote:
Am Sonntag, den 02.08.2009, 12:14 +0200 schrieb Gerhard Brauer:
I try to add ca-certificates and vpnc on a test build...
Ok, i added: netcfg rsync dhclient ca-certificates vpnc
This increase image size by ~1MB, so it is acceptable IMHO.
Gerhard
So, what does dhclient do that dhcpcd can't?
dhcpcd (in the actual version 5.x) has some problems with crappy routers resp. DHCP-Server on those (the popular FritzBox is often one of them). In this case sometimes a dynamic IP could obtain via dhclient when dhcpcd timed out...
Dieter
Gerhard
So for AIF we should switch to dhclient? Dieter
Dieter, it's enough to only reply to the ML, no need to CC me ;-) Am Sonntag, den 02.08.2009, 14:13 +0200 schrieb Dieter Plaetinck:
On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:01:33 +0200 Gerhard Brauer <gerbra@archlinux.de> wrote:
dhcpcd (in the actual version 5.x) has some problems with crappy routers resp. DHCP-Server on those (the popular FritzBox is often one of them). In this case sometimes a dynamic IP could obtain via dhclient when dhcpcd timed out...
So for AIF we should switch to dhclient?
IMHO not. We should not change our tools only to satisfy some crappy sotware from "outside".... We should look if we get many reports from users that they have problems with dhcpcd to obtain a IP via DHCP. If this occurs we could think about to switch maybe next release to dhclient...
Dieter
Gerhard
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