[aur-dev] Introduction and proposal
Hey folks, my name is Mario Mueller, I'm a web developer from Duesseldorf, Germany. I'm rather new to the Arch Linux community, but I must admit, that I love the distribution already and I want to help the Arch Linux community. I contacted Lukas (cryptocrack) and offered my help by supporting the AUR development with heart and hands. He told me that you guys and gals are willing to relaunch the AUR based on Django - so I started to do so. You can take a look at my proposal at https://bitbucket.org/xenji/aur-django/. I've used the actual PHP code from the AUR git repo as a start. The HTML comes from the archweb repository. I kindly request your feedback on the existing code and requests for the upcoming changes. The test data from the generator script gives a good start for the development, but a dump from the live database, without the Users table, would help me to understand the size of the data. In addition, I kindly ask you for telling me a rough number of visitors / page impression to evaluate the caching mechanism needed for a fast service. Best regards, xenji
I'm a bit sad to see, that nobody seems to be interested in my contribution proposal. No feedback, no support. I mean, I did not expect you to welcome me with arms wide open, but a response to my proposal would be a minimum sign of respect. I wonder if you really want to change something or just want to leave it as it is? Maybe I just got wrong info? If do not want my help, just tell me and I will find another open-source project to contribute to. Regards, xenji
Le 28/07/2012 10:00, Mario Mueller a écrit :
I'm a bit sad to see, that nobody seems to be interested in my contribution proposal. No feedback, no support. I mean, I did not expect you to welcome me with arms wide open, but a response to my proposal would be a minimum sign of respect. I wonder if you really want to change something or just want to leave it as it is? Maybe I just got wrong info? If do not want my help, just tell me and I will find another open-source project to contribute to.
Regards, xenji I think you should wait more than a day for feedback ; give it at least a week or so. People may be in vacation and won't answer straight away.
I like your idea, but unfortunately, I'm no python/django developer/user. Tim
Hey Tim, thanks for your feedback and the hint. I did not have it in mind. I just want to get sure that the effort is not useless. Cheers, xenji On Saturday, July 28, 2012, Timothée Ravier wrote:
Le 28/07/2012 10:00, Mario Mueller a écrit :
I'm a bit sad to see, that nobody seems to be interested in my contribution proposal. No feedback, no support. I mean, I did not expect you to welcome me with arms wide open, but a response to my proposal would be a minimum sign of respect. I wonder if you really want to change something or just want to leave it as it is? Maybe I just got wrong info? If do not want my help, just tell me and I will find another open-source project to contribute to.
Regards, xenji I think you should wait more than a day for feedback ; give it at least a week or so. People may be in vacation and won't answer straight away.
I like your idea, but unfortunately, I'm no python/django developer/user.
Tim
Mario Mueller <mario@xenji.com> writes:
Hey Tim,
thanks for your feedback and the hint. I did not have it in mind. I just want to get sure that the effort is not useless.
Cheers, xenji
On Saturday, July 28, 2012, Timothée Ravier wrote:
The effort is never wasted. You generally need to wait at least a week or so before letting the "well I guess no one like this" stuff get to you, and even then you shouldn't. People don't respond for different reasons, people are busy, so on and so forth. I've been meaning to look through your django project, but haven't gotten to it yet -- I haven't done too much work with django, but have a lot of experience with CherryPy and pylons (or pyramid or whatever it is nowadays), grok WSGI, and would definitely rather see the AUR (and basically anything else) on django than PHP. I'd be willing to lend a hand when I can if people are open to the idea of switching over. -- Jeremiah Dodds github: https://github.com/jdodds irc : exhortatory
On Sat 28 Jul 2012 10:00 +0200, Mario Mueller wrote:
I'm a bit sad to see, that nobody seems to be interested in my contribution proposal. No feedback, no support. I mean, I did not expect you to welcome me with arms wide open, but a response to my proposal would be a minimum sign of respect. I wonder if you really want to change something or just want to leave it as it is? Maybe I just got wrong info? If do not want my help, just tell me and I will find another open-source project to contribute to.
I see no compelling reason to redo years of work under another language/framework just for that sake alone. I think people would like to see some better reasons for this. Back before I got involved with the AUR there was a Brazilian project that was trying to do the same thing as you. And later there was another project 'AUR2' [1] that also had a similar goal. If you're going to rewrite the AUR I think you really need to offer something that the current AUR can't offer from a user perspective. You need to offer a paradigm shift, otherwise it's hard to entice people to an unestablished and unproven codebase. For example, aur3 [2] (another independent project) is an interesting take on the AUR. Making the AUR into 'yet-another-webapp-but-in-shiny-python' just isn't interesting enough. We could rewrite CVS, but in shiny python but that wouldn't be really interesting either. So, I'm glad git (and other dvcs) came along. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to discourage your contribution. Just trying to help you think outside the box. Cheers. [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR_2 [2] http://aur3.org/
Now that's the kind of feedback I like ;). Challenge accepted. May I kindly ask if you are willing to discuss any ideas I will offer? On Saturday, July 28, 2012, Loui Chang wrote:
On Sat 28 Jul 2012 10:00 +0200, Mario Mueller wrote:
I'm a bit sad to see, that nobody seems to be interested in my contribution proposal. No feedback, no support. I mean, I did not expect you to welcome me with arms wide open, but a response to my proposal would be a minimum sign of respect. I wonder if you really want to change something or just want to leave it as it is? Maybe I just got wrong info? If do not want my help, just tell me and I will find another open-source project to contribute to.
I see no compelling reason to redo years of work under another language/framework just for that sake alone. I think people would like to see some better reasons for this.
Back before I got involved with the AUR there was a Brazilian project that was trying to do the same thing as you. And later there was another project 'AUR2' [1] that also had a similar goal.
If you're going to rewrite the AUR I think you really need to offer something that the current AUR can't offer from a user perspective. You need to offer a paradigm shift, otherwise it's hard to entice people to an unestablished and unproven codebase.
For example, aur3 [2] (another independent project) is an interesting take on the AUR.
Making the AUR into 'yet-another-webapp-but-in-shiny-python' just isn't interesting enough. We could rewrite CVS, but in shiny python but that wouldn't be really interesting either. So, I'm glad git (and other dvcs) came along.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to discourage your contribution. Just trying to help you think outside the box.
Cheers.
[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR_2 [2] http://aur3.org/
Mario Mueller <mario@xenji.com> writes:
Now that's the kind of feedback I like ;). Challenge accepted.
May I kindly ask if you are willing to discuss any ideas I will offer?
If he isn't, I'm sure there are plenty of people on the list who would. If you've got some good ideas, get them out where we can see them ;) -- Jeremiah Dodds github: https://github.com/jdodds irc : exhortatory
On Sat 28 Jul 2012 23:03 +0200, Mario Mueller wrote:
Now that's the kind of feedback I like ;). Challenge accepted.
May I kindly ask if you are willing to discuss any ideas I will offer?
Sure. As long as you start bottom-posting. Also try not to get too caught up in discussion. There's a time for discussion and there's a time to "Just do it".
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Mario Mueller <mario@xenji.com> wrote:
I'm a bit sad to see, that nobody seems to be interested in my contribution proposal. No feedback, no support. I mean, I did not expect you to welcome me with arms wide open, but a response to my proposal would be a minimum sign of respect. I wonder if you really want to change something or just want to leave it as it is? Maybe I just got wrong info? If do not want my help, just tell me and I will find another open-source project to contribute to.
Are you willing to contribute any PHP code? Or are you set on a complete rewrite?
Sure. PHP is my primary language, which I do at my daily job. On Sunday, July 29, 2012, canyonknight@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Mario Mueller <mario@xenji.com<javascript:;>> wrote:
I'm a bit sad to see, that nobody seems to be interested in my contribution proposal. No feedback, no support. I mean, I did not expect you to welcome me with arms wide open, but a response to my proposal would be a minimum sign of respect. I wonder if you really want to change something or just want to leave it as it is? Maybe I just got wrong info? If do not want my help, just tell me and I will find another open-source project to contribute to.
Are you willing to contribute any PHP code? Or are you set on a complete rewrite?
participants (5)
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canyonknight＠gmail.com
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Jeremiah Dodds
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Loui Chang
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Mario Mueller
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Timothée Ravier