Am Fri, 02 Mar 2012 10:22:46 -0300 schrieb Angel Velásquez <angvp@archlinux.org>:
Heiko,
I've always had several discussions with you, now Gaetan, and many people seems to have disagree with your opinion.
If they disagree with my opinion, they can happily explain why. I explained my concerns. But I only got answers like "grow up", "not officially supported", etc., not to mention the offences, particularly those of Gaetan. I don't say that I'm always right. And having concerns does not mean that a person about whom I have concerns is really that bad. But it means that one should have a closer look at him before he is fully trusted. But what I have read in the answers looked rather like an unreflecting hype. And I also know that there are people who every now and then do agree with me. Just the people who disagree are usually the loudest. And once a TU even told me personally face to face that my comments are usually worth reading. I don't remember it literally. I also discovered several times, that I was offended here on the mailing lists by a lot of people. But I still gave my arguments. And lo and behold after a while the discussion got factual and it turned out in the end that I wasn't so wrong and that I wasn't the only one with this opinion. So you indeed should sometimes think about my comments. I really don't write so many times, at least I don't give so many times my concerns. But if I give them, then there's usually a reason for that. Of course, I can be wrong. But then explain it and don't tell me anything about I should grow up and it was inappropriately or the like. That's the point.
A personal advice is when so much people are saying that you're wrong at least try to think about it and try to put on the otherside of the line.
Why? I mean, of course, I think about it, but only if I get some reasonable arguments. On the other hand the fact that so many people are saying that I'm wrong doesn't necessarily mean that I'm this wrong. That can mean that those people are just the loudest and that those people probably haven't thought about my arguments or even haven't read them completely. Like I said before, I'm certainly not always right, but sometimes.
Gyorgy have good skills, and you personally are nothing to say that he doesn't have it,
Because I tried to install one of his packages, looked at those PKGBUILDs, found several issues, and written comments about those problems in the AUR. This was, btw., shortly before he has written his TU application. So I didn't check his AUR packages because of his TU application. And from those PKGBUILDs which indeed looked pretty weird I had my concerns that he is probably not the right one for being a TU. That was not meant personally, that was just because of what I saw.
are you a TU? Dev? were you a Fellow, I don't remember on those sides, so please, stop complaining,
Where am I complaining? I gave my concerns about someone who has written a TU application. And I said that either split package support should be added to AUR or that split packages shouldn't be uploaded to AUR. How is that complaining? And, no, I'm neither a TU or a dev, yet. Does this mean that I mustn't say my opinion? I don't think so. And that doesn't mean that I don't have any knowledge.
start contributing,
I already do this. 21 packages in AUR, a not too short part of the code in /etc/rc.sysinit, a few lines - only a very few, I admit that - of code in the vanilla kernel. Is this not contributing?
if you can't do this, then you will be remembered always like the noising user who like to break our balls.
No, only people who either don't read my arguments completely, have prejudices against me or just dislike me for whatever reason will remember me as a noising user. Other people probably know that I'm not just noising. Like I said in another e-mail: As the question, so the answer. Heiko