On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:56:44 +0300 Hector Martinez-Seara <hseara@gmail.com> wrote:
It is interesting, it doesn't matter which is the ambit ( Ej: politics, public institutions, ... ), but always at the end those who have the power feel the need to restrict or control the flux of information. And by experience this need increases more and more in time. No hard feelings about what you say but this might end up badly. A friend, Hector
PD: Transparency in not the same as anarchy. Might be that people don't like what is decided by those who take decisions but if it is done openly at least the people don't feel deceived.
Correct, just as Keenerd already pointed out in his answer to your mail, to make the IRC logs public is not appropriate. There are no real decisions made, sure something like whether a package should be put back to AUR when it does no longer build with current utilities and there were no new releases in quite some time are discussed there and are decided by the maintainer/the TUs (mostly these packages are orphans). But most of the conversations there have a private touch, from what was eaten for dinner to "Why I don't like $BAND/$MOVIE/$WHATEVER.". Please see the situation from this point, currently we are 24 TUs, 24 people from all around the globe who've mostly never met each other. This private channel has the social effect to form bonds of friendship between strangers, even if it is not possible for everyone to be there quite often. Clans/Guilds in the video game segment of the life/internet work in the same way to make people cooperate easier with each other. The reason I would've preferred a private mailing list instead of something like arch-dev-public are the following two: * As keenerd stated: Conversations about TU-Applicants "Hey you sponsor him/her, since when have you had contact with the applicant? Do you think he knows how much time he probably has to invest?" Stuff like that, nothing for the public, yet the Applicant has access to the mailing list archives if he becomes a TU. * The simple problem of "Hey what do you think? Is it a good idea to do this with my package?" not sent to this list but there and whoops there's a split thread like it happens often with a-d-p/a-g, when they end with more than 20 mails I easily loose focus with those. I hope this explains my opinion, yet your concerns show, that a hand full of threads(there were only 3 applications this year) are not worth disbelieve from other users. Regards, Thorsten -- Jabber: atsutane@freethoughts.de Blog: http://atsutane.freethoughts.de/ Key: 295AFBF4 FP: 39F8 80E5 0E49 A4D1 1341 E8F9 39E4 F17F 295A FBF4