My take on this whole issue: I strongly believe that laws are made for the people, i.e. for our convenience, and not the other way around. The laws referenced in the current discussion are not written in stone. If it doesn't suit a situation, let us amend it. IMO, a provision must be made where a TU can be allowed to remain so even if he/she is not interested in administrative activities (like electing new TUs or sponsoring etc.) but is participating in other helpful activities like packaging, discussions, bug reports etc. I consider administrative activities to be "extra" activities of a TU. And I feel asking a TU to step down because of refusal to participate in voting is not a good idea. I urge other TUs to kindly reconsider and not oust useful members for this reason alone. (One more thing, has anyone considered disabling xterminus's CVS login? You know... to avoid "accidents" if the login credentials falls into wrong hands as we have no idea what's happening at his end.) Thanks, -- Vinay S Shastry http://thenub.one09.net