On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 09:49:59AM +0200, Tomaz Canabrava wrote:
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> On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 9:32 AM Robin Candau <[1]antiz@archlinux.org> wrote:
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>     On 7/31/25 9:14 AM, Tomaz Canabrava wrote:
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>     > On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 at 23:37 Frederik Schwan <[2]freswa@archlinux.org
>     > <mailto:[3]freswa@archlinux.org>> wrote:
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>     >     On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 06:27:04PM -0300, Giancarlo Razzolini wrote:
>     >      > Excerpts from Tomaz Canabrava's message of julho 30, 2025 9:09 am:
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>     >      > > I confirm that I'm sponsoring Martin and that I'll be his
>     >     mentor. This
>     >      > > message is signed with my gpg key.
>     >      > >
>     >      >
>     >      > Hi All,
>     >      >
>     >      > Now that Tomaz has sent the signed email, the official discussion
>     >     period started. But I'm glad some discussion is already happening
>     >     and Martin already accepted some of suggestions.
>     >      >
>     >      > Regards,
>     >      > Giancarlo Razzolini
>     >
>     >     Hi Giancarlo,
>     >     as per our TU bylaws [0] one must find two sponsoring _TUs_:
>     >
>     >      > In order to become a TU, one must first find two sponsoring TUs
>     >     following the guidelines outlined below, and arrange privately with
>     >     them to announce their candidacy on the aur-general mailing list.
>     >
>     >     But as of [1] you resigned as TU. Therefore it appears to me that
>     >     you cannot sponsor Martin.
>     >
>     >     Best regards,
>     >     Frederik
>     >
>     >     [0] [4]https://github.com/archlinux/tu-bylaws/blob/master/tu-
>     >     bylaws.adoc <[5]https://github.com/archlinux/tu-bylaws/blob/master/
>     tu-
>     >     bylaws.adoc>
>     >     [1] [6]https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/aur-
>     >     [7]general@lists.archlinux.org/message/
>     >     FETRJKGSYJANXVKMNED6QROO56LLUMKM/ <[8]https://lists.archlinux.org/
>     >     archives/list/[9]aur-general@lists.archlinux.org/message/
>     >     FETRJKGSYJANXVKMNED6QROO56LLUMKM/>
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>     > hello,
>     >
>     > i disagree with the premisses states here, the document says that for
>     > addition of a TU one must find two TUs to sponsor,
>     >
>     > But we are not adding a TU, but a Package Maintainer.
>     > Gian is a package maintainer.
>     > so am I.
>     >
>     > best,
>     > tomaz
>     >
>     >
>     >
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>     Hi,
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>     The "TU / Trusted User" role is the old name for the current "PM /
>     Package Maintainer" one. See the related RFC for the rename of the role
>     [1].
>     The bylaws has been updated accordingly [2][3].
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>     Technically speaking, if Giancarlo resigned as a TU, he is defacto not a
>     package maintainer (as TU is simply the previous name of the current PM
>     role).
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> I do agree that the rename was a big thing but I feel that this is not correct
> - the TU role and the Package Maintainer roles are slightly different.

So you say, that if I `mv filea fileb`, the checksum of the file contents differ?

> if you look at the Package Maintainers list, Gian is still there, and Gian
> still packages things that goes directly to extra and core, he wouldn't be able
> to do that if he was not a Package Maintainer.
le con
He is able to push packages due to his role as Developer.

> other than that, Gian also sponsored people (me included) after he resigned as
> TU, and that was not a problem.

Just because nobody noticed back then doesn't mean the rules may not be enforced in the future.