2008/1/18, Callan Barrett <wizzomafizzo@gmail.com>:
At this point I can't see this discussion going very far, just like all TU discussions. I've been doing this for a year now and *nothing* has happened, nothing has improved and stuff has just gotten worse and worse as people stop caring. I don't think I care anymore either because the only people who who have any real opinion aren't TUs and are unable to vote, the rest of you just agree with both sides and contribute nothing. Why even bother?
Ok, you'll have my opinion here. But first, let me notice that the bylaws don't say we *must* participate in TU discussions. Even though discussing is useful, it is clearly stated that "All active TUs should be participating in discussions and voting procedures in order to continue meeting the quorums". So the accent is on the quorum, which is reached by voting. I never missed a voting procedure, just like others that didn't express their opinion in this or other threads. Now, back on track. The problems you highlighted on this thread surely exist, but I don't think they can't be fixed. In fact, before starting an official discussion period for Sergej's removal, I think you should have started an unofficial thread to have a free discussion about how can we solve them without being so drastic. * The 600 packages. They are a lot, maybe too many, I'd suggest we find a way to redistribute them a little and move some of them to unsupported (maybe with some exceptions - I'm going to start a new thread about it after I finish this e-mail). A small addition: we always assumed that a TU should take as many packages as he's able to maintain (I couldn't find this rule written anywhere), but we never set a "sane maximum", even though this was discussed after the willysilly mess. I think we should do it now. * The voting procedures. I think this requires a reform, too. We should clearly define how many consecutive voting procedures can be missed before being automatically proposed for removal. Voting is indeed a fundamental duty of a TU, and Sergej (and all the others) should take part in it, trying to limit exceptions as much as possible. I think we should also "ping back" after we miss a vote just to say we're there and we didn't disappear. The real problem here is that Sergej didn't do anything *clearly* wrong. Since the bylaws include many interpretable rules, we can't really blame him for doing what he thought was right (unless his final objective is total arch destruction :-D ). Either we *really* try to reform the bylaws or we should be prepared to handle situations like this one. There has been a lot of talking after willysilly disappeared, but no clear resolutions were made, if I remember correctly. Corrado