Sébastien Luttringer wrote:
The question we have to answer is : How many TU are necessary to have a motion pass. Set the quorum to this value and _stop_ cheating by : - creating more valid voters than others (the active) - find ways to ignore the quorum is not reach (so the vote has no meaning)
Cheers,
Hi, Sorry for starting a new thread with my own proposal. I wrote it before reading through the rest of my inbox. Now that I have, I'll summarize my own suggestions, which have changed since reading through this thread, and which re-iterate the general consensus that you are already approaching. The distinction between "active" and "inactive" TUs is meaningless and should be removed from the bylaws, including the definition of quorum. Quorum will therefore be some fixed percent of all TUs. As stated in this thread, up to 1 in 3 can skip the vote, and omitting "inactive" TUs defeats the purpose of quorum. There will therefore be no need for an "active" flag on TU user accounts on the AUR. I still like my own suggestion for amending the removal section to add the special case for TUs who have not touched [community], AUR or the mailing list in 2 months. I believe that accomplishes the real goals of the current clauses regarding unannounced inactivity and quorum blocking. All other cases in which a TU is perceived to be avoiding his or her duties can be handled by the standard removal procedure. With the removal of the distinction between "active" and "inactive", I also like the idea of establishing quorum when the vote is opened. TUs who are added during the voting period (due to a parallel vote) will not be allowed to participate in the ongoing vote. However, TU removals and resignations must be addressed. TUs who are up for removal must not be allowed to vote on their own removal, and maybe not on other votes either. TUs who resign (before the vote ends) should be removed from the quorum calculation. If they have voted, their vote should also be removed. For the former, a removal vote type that bars the removal candidate from voting and quorum calculations should be easy enough to implement. For resignations, a hook would be needed when a TU account is reset to a normal user account. The hook would simply check ongoing votes, remove the TU from the quorum list, and remove the vote if one has been cast. I don't know if the vote itself is stored in the table though, so that might require more work. If it has to be implemented, I would like it to be temporary. When the vote ends, the association of participants to their votes should be removed, an only the list of participants and the final tally should be retained. Some thought must be given to whether TUs who are up for removal may participate in other votes. With the current bylaws, any 2 TUs can remove all other TUs by motioning for their removal. Only those 2 TUs would be able to vote so they would be able to pass all the motions with 100% participation and 100% yes votes. It might be enough to modify the voting restriction to forbid a TU from voting on his or her own removal only. Perhaps we could even add some clause that suspends other votes until the removal vote has passed. For the bylaws that would require the addition of a clause to the SVP section. Programmatically, all new vote proposals would be blocked if a removal vote is running. The clause should probably also specify that removal votes take precedence over any other pending votes except removal votes. Regards, Xyne p.s. you can stop CC'ing me now ;)