On Saturday, February 05, 2011 14:49:49 Ángel Velásquez wrote:
2011/2/5 Nicky726 <nicky726@gmail.com>:
To Angel Velasquez: the nature of the relation is not like an ownership, but more like an authorship. Is it that much to show your respect to the author by a polite question? After all we are people, not mindless machines nor animals.
Hi Nicky,
This is opensource world dude, can you see it?, so forget those "autorship" and "license" of those PKGBUILD, plus, in many cases, many of the packages went from one people to another. Btw I don't know why people refers to packages when we are talking about aurballs containing PKGBUILD, this is different from a package.
They're still packages, whether they contain actual binaries or source code is irrelevent. What do you think tarballs are? The ONLY difference is in how the packages are installed. Also, open source does not mean "no credit" or "courtesy free." All he's asking is to be told when the PKGBUILD he is maintaining is taken over and moved to [community]. I personally would enjoy being asked permission first as well.
As Ioni said, he kept the Contributor tag, I don't see the point of whining if your work as a maintainer is recognized on that PKGBUILD but I don't see the point of contributing expecting recognition, we are humans, I know, but what can make you happier than the fact that your work evolved and now you have opportunity to evolve with it too (i.e maintaining new PKGBUILD and then applying to be a TU).
So if you're maintaining a bunch of PKGBUILDs on the AUR and, say, hypothetically, that I, if I were a TU, were to move every single one of your packages effectively to [community] without typing a word to you about it, you won't get mad that suddenly you don't get any consideration? No, names in PKGBUILDs is NOT enough, as many people DO use AUR helpers and never even see the PKGBUILDs they are working with. Also, his point isn't recognition, but COURTESY.
We eventually show our respect to the author to notice him that we do will move your package, but it's arrogant and too stupid to pretend that a TU or Dev have to `ask you for permission` <--- THIS IS MADNESS, you aren't the owner of that PKGBUILD ! even if you wrote it from scratch! the next thing after from asking for permission will be "please pay me" .. so hell no.
Why is it madness to show someone courtesy and some consideration for being the maintainer of the PKGBUILD? No, it's madness to be an asshole to the maintainer of the PKGBUILD and not even give thought to TELLING them their package is now in [community]. Whether someone "owns" the PKGBUILD is quite irrelevant. A LOT of maintainers put their heart and soul into making sure those PKGBUILDs actually work on more than their own computers. TUs don't "own" those packages either, and they really should be at least NOTIFYING the maintainer of the acquisition. So hell yes, there should at least be a notification. If it inconveniences you, then you should not be a TU.
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Wow, your attitude toward AUR package maintainers makes me wanna put PKGBUILDs on my own site instead of the AUR. There I can DEFINITEY "own" PKGBUILDs if I want to, but further, I'd be able to keep people with your hostile attitude away from my own maintainership. The only downside is my package will not be part of any official repository that way, and who would that help?