Why is package popularity judged by votes anyway? I never vote. The reason i never vote is because i don't understand why package popularity can't simply be judged by download count. I know there's been some discussion of this topic earlier but as far as i can recall there were no convincing arguments against it. even if some moron decides to download his package more times to increase the chance of adoption(where would the motivation to do this be anyway? if he simply want's to get it in the pacman system for easier maintenance a simple guide to make your own repository and add it to pacman would remove this incurrence in 99% of cases) the TU's and Devs could still choose to not include the package in the repos. This could also largely be avoided by only counting i guess certain ip ranges(i'm not an expert on these things, but i DO know that counting downloads with some level of security is a common occurence on the net) That is if the other suggestion in this thread doesn't get implemented and TU's and devs are actually free to choose which packages they want to adopt. To me - that seems important - because where's the motivation to maintain a package which you doesn't use? Maybe the motivation is to make a better arch? somehow i doubt this one will matter much in the daily lives of the devs and TU's when they have to take time out of their private schedules to do something that is essentially non-work non-paid. So I think motivation is something that should be encouraged so things doesn't seem to much like work.. So i guess what i'm saying is, why create policy around a flawed system? why not try to fix the core of the problem instead of patching it up? -K