Greg; I assume you are not aware that anyone can apply and become a TU. Because of that, if anyone thinks something needs to be done that remains undone, then the answer is to simply ask to become a TU. Within a short time, if you are ready with some few examples of your work, you will become one. We have only turned down one applicant and that was for lying to us. MORE TO THE POINT; When the aurvotes was added, we all knew that it could not represent even one user correctly. Heck I have programs that dozens of folks use that show NO VOTES, and they are using them by downloading them from the community repo directly. At the time the aurvotes were added we were promised that it would **NEVER be mentioned that a TU was remiss by not adding a aur entry that had some votes. Somehow over the course of a couple of years we are now using a system of statistics that is decidedly in error, with over two magnitudes of extremes and no way to determine the shape of the curve (and the means). i.e. We have NO idea of even what ZERO votes means. It boggles the mind. Very best regards; Bob Finch On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis <grbzks@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:12 AM, Callan Barrett <wizzomafizzo@gmail.com> wrote:
sergej I'm sorry for trying to vote you out. It was a pretty big dick move on my part.
I think you've shown yourself to be perfectly capable of maintaining all these packages and like other people have said although it's impossible for you to put complete care into each package you're very good at fixing stuff when it's reported. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. :')
HA! Thats very easier to say since many of the packages having 0% usage originally comes from you :P
Seriously now, anyone who disrespects other people's work is an ungreateful son of a bitch. And Sergej has put a lot of work on packaging, no doubt. But that doesnt change anything. All facts remain. Maintaining hundreds of hardly used packages as binary while at the same time there are 300 scripts in AUR with more than 40 votes waiting to be adopted is not appropriate and a big problem. Moreover if you fail to admit that there is a problem. Archlinux has grown and continues doing so. And this has been a problem for far too long that needed to be solved at some point. In fact thats what [community] has always been about right? Having popular packages from unsupported? note: I wonder if the GPL commpliance issue involves [community] too. That would be a really interesting task to watch being achieved.
As phrakture in one of his earlier emails, the most important IMO problem is there is not frequent commnication between the members of the TU group. As it happens for example with the developers. eg. Even TUs said on the thread i started on the arch-general mailing list that Sergej is a package making machine. And people have been saying that for as long as i can remember. He rarely paricipates on anything community related. Before the rules on voting, he never really did. Im not saying he should be available all day on the IRC, forum, and ML but he could be a bit more active especially on TU related stuff. Especially since he maintains lots of packages. And i only used Sergej as an example here. He probably is not the only one.
Greg