On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Loui Chang <louipc.ist@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 05:58:47AM -0700, w9ya wrote:
>> Could you please take a moment to fill us in on what other things you feel
>> needs "to be done" ?
>
> They've been said already but here are some for you:
> 1. Clean up [community].
> 2. Improve community scripts.
> 3. Move the repo to a faster SCM.

Oh there's way more than that. Let me make a point here that Loui,
Callan, Simo, Dan, and myself do the coding work here. As far as I can
tell, all of us prefer this proposal. Keep that in mind - the people
doing work *for you* to make your lives easier, want some moderation
on this system before it gets out of hand. People will *always* abuse
a system with no rules.

There has been only one person we have had to deal with by discipline in 5 years. I woudl say that speaks well for the system we currently have.

I was taken to task in the message you make a quote form above for "wild claims", yet you wnat this becuase you are waiting for things to get "out of hand".

Hmmmm.
 


You guys are more than free to do whatever you want, but as long as
you're running on the ArchLinux server, using code written by
ArchLinux developers, then our opinions should matter.

They do matter. And when I have asked YOU for details, you have not illuminated upon them with details. You still speak in generalities and prophesties, while I am being criticized for doing that as a response to your proposal.

When I voice an opinion I am told I am making "wild claims", yet your entire proposal is based on a claim that things "will get out of hand". In 5 years they have not gotten out of hand. IN fact the evidence is that this proposal is NOT needed at this time becuase there is NO resource issue at this time.

 


Please refrain from replying in novels too - it's too hard to digest.
Being succinct is a skill.

You have been very distinct. But alas that is easy when you do not give details. When I was asked for details I did the polite thing and reply with details. Then within a few days you guys write as it you haven't seen them yet I am critized for being too wordy and so forth and so on. <- Nice debating trick, but nothing more. People reading these things can see through that.


**** Look, I have now said this three times. No one is upset at what you do and we ALL appreciate it. And yes we would like to know more details about what you want to do. PLEASE supply them, in detail, and let US decide what should be first. The coding changes SHOULD be first. Alternative proposals, like fund raising dirves to improve the resource WHEN they are ready to be upgraded SHOULD be first. <- Now these are MY thoughts, but others agree with them. They have said so in the past weeks.

And yes the order of when and how these proposals are considered DOES matter.

Is that so hard to accept ?


Regards;

Bob Finch